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Yes, exactly. Depending on the definition of "equivalent", Puredata[0] may or may not qualify as well. [0]: https://puredata.info/ https://puredata.info/

• worldsayshi 7y ago
  Does Pd have a textual representation intended to be human readable?
  • jazzyjackson 7y ago
    Everything is saved as plaintext, but it is not meant to be readable really. here's an excerpt from some of my code. #N canvas 340 73 884 380 10; #N canvas 0 0 1362 686 sendchord 0; #X msg 241 135 60; #X msg 240 167 64; #X msg 241 200 67; #X obj 191 173 bng 15 250 50 0 empty empty empty 17 7 0 10 -262144 -1 -1; #X obj 283 450 bng 15 250 50 0 empty empty empty 17 7 0 10 -262144 -1 -1;
    • hjek 7y ago
      Hello world in Pd: #N canvas 0 0 100 100 100 10; #X obj 0 40 print; #X msg 0 20 hello world; #X obj 0 0 loadbang; #X connect 1 0 0 0; #X connect 2 0 1 0; Compared to Hello World in Java, it's actually not that unreadable IMO.
      • viraptor 7y ago
        You've got 20 magic integers with no explanation in the source. Java version does not contain that.
        • hjek 7y ago
          Yup. Magic integers are bad for readability. So are "magic phrases", like public static void. I think the readability of Pd is horrible, but the question was whether it was human readable at all.
          • viraptor 7y ago
            I don't think they're in the similar category at all. Keywords are part of the syntax - if you know what they are in one place, you know what they are in another. (even if they have multiple meanings) Magic numbers are use-specific and you need extra context to understand them. They're part of the code, not the language itself - although the language can help the situation by enforcing naming in some cases.
            • hjek 7y ago
              Well, I think many programming keywords have a form of meaning that you need extra context to understand. How would I intuitively could guess what 'public static void' was, withing having any idea about OO or Java? I mean, 'void' is perhaps OK, but don't tell me you could understand 'swing' with no context, just by reading the word?
  • hjek 7y ago
    I guess only Miller Puckette can provide an answer about the intention. It also depends what we consider human readable: Does it mean that some or many or most humans can read it? It's a custom plain text format[0] that is perhaps a little bit less readable that HTML. I have been reading and writing Pd patches in textual representation (and I'm human). Not sure if that's an answer to the question. I've seen a Scheme editor that does visual representation, slightly similar to Scratch, but can't remember the name of it. AsciiDots is both visual and textual (although it's not two different syntaxes). [0]: https://puredata.info/docs/developer/PdFileFormat https://puredata.info/docs/developer/PdFileFormat [1]: https://github.com/aaronjanse/asciidots https://github.com/aaronjanse/asciidots
• dkersten 7y ago
  Yeah. Its purely hype on luna's part.