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This is a response I find odd. Do you think that apple are completely incapable of selling the data they have collected on you literally tomorrow if they choose

by harry8 7y ago

This is a response I find odd. Do you think that apple are completely incapable of selling the data they have collected on you literally tomorrow if they choose to today? It's hardly turning on a dime to provide someone with database access for a fee. Or they could start a secret project to do it themselves next year. It's a crapload easier than building a new phone. Relying on your trust of apple for things you don't want to happen being prevented is just a mistake. You don't actually think they haven't collected the data and stored it, do you? I mean you really can't be thinking that, right?

tobr 7y ago
> Relying on your trust of apple for things you don't want to happen being prevented is just a mistake. Again, my trust of Apple (relative to Google) in this regard fundamentally does not come from a moral judgement of some kind. Google is built on hoarding and monetizing user data, so they are likely to do it at a larger scale, more efficiently, etc. Of course Apple has all sorts of information about me as a user, but because of the business they’re in, they’re going to be less hungry for it than Google. You can say the opposite about the “walled garden” discussion. That’s Apple’s game. Even though Google can play it too, they’re likely to do it to a lesser extent, because it’s not quite as valuable for their business.
- harry8 7y ago
  They collect the information. All of it. Everything they can. And no doubt some things they aren't allowed to. Do you doubt it? They absolutely will f&^k you over with it. Do you doubt it? "But they aren't so good at f&^king me over as someone else, yet." This is just an astoundingly hideous support of apple but yes, it's about the only one that isn't totally and completely false. Good luck with that, to us all. This is where we're up to. Needs to be said out loud often. Degrees of disgusting, awful, hideousness beyond totally unacceptable are really only of academic interest to ghouls.

by harry8 7y ago

tobr 7y ago

> Relying on your trust of apple for things you don't want to happen being prevented is just a mistake. Again, my trust of Apple (relative to Google) in this regard fundamentally does not come from a moral judgement of some kind. Google is built on hoarding and monetizing user data, so they are likely to do it at a larger scale, more efficiently, etc. Of course Apple has all sorts of information about me as a user, but because of the business they’re in, they’re going to be less hungry for it than Google. You can say the opposite about the “walled garden” discussion. That’s Apple’s game. Even though Google can play it too, they’re likely to do it to a lesser extent, because it’s not quite as valuable for their business.

harry8 7y ago
They collect the information. All of it. Everything they can. And no doubt some things they aren't allowed to. Do you doubt it? They absolutely will f&^k you over with it. Do you doubt it? "But they aren't so good at f&^king me over as someone else, yet." This is just an astoundingly hideous support of apple but yes, it's about the only one that isn't totally and completely false. Good luck with that, to us all. This is where we're up to. Needs to be said out loud often. Degrees of disgusting, awful, hideousness beyond totally unacceptable are really only of academic interest to ghouls.