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Level Design Patterns in 2D Games

401 points by homarp 7y ago

apacheCamel 7y ago
This sort of stuff is fascinating to me. There is so much design and forethought to level making that it just blows my mind. Whenever I am on the other end, playing the game, I never notice when the stage is built in a great way. I do, however, tend to notice whenever it has flaws. Maybe reading more about the design of it all will help me be more cognizant of the patience and dedication put into level design.
- mysterydip 7y ago
  The best level designs guide you to certain things while making you feel like you discovered or solved something completely on your own. Sometimes indies use procedural generation as a shortcut to creating levels (or replayability) without consideration for these patterns, and instead of creating an engaging varied scenario they end up being obviously disjointed and break the flow of the player.
  - CraftThatBlock 7y ago
    For puzzle games, discovering the answer is much more satisfying than finding it in my opinion.
    - papln 7y ago
      How are you defining "discovering" vs "finding"? In plain language they are synonyms. Are you saying that seeing the answer is more satisfying than solving the puzzle? (as in a joke or a magic trick that you don't even try to solve?)
      - chii 7y ago
        i dunno if the parent post meant this, but i personally do feel that a game which seems to "let you do anything to solve the problem" plays better than one which has a "designed solution". Think an adventure game, where in order to proceed, you have to figure out the intention of the game designer for items and combinations (and pixel hunting). Compare that to the recent zelda game, where puzzles are more free-form - where you can employ physics to solve the problem at hand (such as crossing a cravice by falling a tree trunk across it).
  - keerthiko 7y ago
    Most indies pay close attention to the level design, even if leaning on procedural generation to get part of the way there. I am part of a 2-person team building an indie racing/puzzle game. I am the "tools" guy and my teammate is the "level design" guy, and I provide the building blocks and the generative machinery, and he massages them into an intentional and balanced experience. Procedural level generation is only viable in production for games if a professional level designer can step in and tweak it.
    - mysterydip 7y ago
      Don't know if I agree with most (after all there were 7600 games released on steam in 2017), but I'd say the ones that are successful do pay close attention.
    - bostonpete 7y ago
      I'm not much of a gamer but a racing/puzzle game sounds intriguing. Is that a novel concept or are there existing examples out there already?
      - jwagenet 7y ago
        Trackmania has both dev and user created tracks which offer a puzzle type experience (in terms of determining how to get through the checkpoints). The most complex of these are ‘RPG’ tracks which are long, sometimes technically difficult, and often themed.
      - keerthiko 7y ago
        As a core game concept, it isn't common. We came upon it because we want our portfolio to be games that involve a cross-section of skills and play styles (strategic, on-the-fly planning, twitchy controls)[0] You can think of speedrunning a puzzle game as a racing/puzzle game though :) [0] https://colorballsgame.com/ https://colorballsgame.com/
  - apacheCamel 7y ago
    I agree, I think some of the best designs lead you along without making it obvious at all. My opinion is that some of the top tier level design has a strict path on moving forward but lets it up to the player to decide how exactly they want to move down it.
  - PhasmaFelis 7y ago
    Indeed. Good procgen can be amazing, but bad procgen feels really half-assed. Derek Yu's Spelunky pretty much single-handedly started the current procgen revolution, and he wrote a book about it. :) https://bossfightbooks.com/products/spelunky-by-derek-yu https://bossfightbooks.com/products/spelunky-by-derek-yu (He also wrote extensively about it in his blog, as I recall, though I don't have a link handy.)
  - Xelbair 7y ago
    I really liked the approach the Dead Cells developers took. They handcrafted tiles, out of which a metroidvania style levels were generated. It consisted of a random graph generation(with constraints), and fitting the handcrafted elements to that graph. It took the best of both worlds - a properly designed levels with tons of replayability.
- moron4hire 7y ago
  Good design is always transparent
- CM30 7y ago
  In a sense, it's pretty similar to how theme parks are designed too, with the best ones being structured in much the same as a 3D collectathon level. There's usually a key focal point in the middle of the area to act as a reference, a bunch of smaller ones off to all sides meant to draw people's attention towards smaller obstacles/attractions, and clever uses of scenery and forced perspective to give the impression of a much bigger, more detailed world than's practically possible.
  - stcredzero 7y ago
    In a sense, it's pretty similar to how theme parks are designed too Many modern games are basically theme parks. clever uses of scenery and forced perspective to give the impression of a much bigger, more detailed world than's practically possible This is why I prefer more sandboxy games with more potential for emergence.
    - CM30 7y ago
      To be fair, being designed like a theme park isn't necessarily a bad thing. Many great sandbox type games use similar techniques in their design, and a lot has been written about how designers created open worlds to incentivise exploration/encourage people to go off the beaten track (like in this talk about The Legend of Zelda Breath of the Wild): https://kotaku.com/breath-of-the-wilds-biggest-design-secret-lots-of-tria-1819113140 https://kotaku.com/breath-of-the-wilds-biggest-design-secret... And in the olden days, a lot of this was basically necessary due to technical limitations. You couldn't get Breath of the Wild size worlds running on the N64 or PS1, so games like Ocarina of Time and Majora's Mask had to use careful design to make the worlds feel a lot more complex than they actually were. Same with 3D platformers like Mario 64 or Banjo-Kazooie.
      - stcredzero 7y ago
        To be fair, being designed like a theme park isn't necessarily a bad thing. No, of course not. Sometimes I want a theme park! It's just that I'm sometimes promised a world and what I get is more of a theme park. Sometimes one wants the theme park. Sometimes, one wants a more "natural" experience. This also comes in degrees, which is part of why it's tricky.
- huehehue 7y ago
  There's a Doom playthrough with John Romero where he talks about waiting until the very end to design the first level; that is, it was the last one he made. The idea is that by the time you've finished the rest of the game, you're really good at making levels. You have a solid understanding of what makes a passage fair, balanced, engaging, and so on.
  - komali2 7y ago
    The first Doom level is wild. It's really just two rooms and a hallway, unless you go into the third room... Or find the secret way outside, or the rocket launcher, or... Watching pros play deathmatch in the first level is a trip.
    - skocznymroczny 7y ago
      That's the first level in Doom 2. However, the iconic first level in Doom is E1M1: Hangar.
  - jstarfish 7y ago
    That being true, the point of creating the first level last was also showmanship-- once you've honed your skills on all the forgettable middle levels, you're able to create a top-tier intro (and finale) that everyone remembers decades later.
tobyhinloopen 7y ago
Nice “allow” button at the close-button for the cookie tracking popup.
papln 7y ago
Related: an analysis of Super Mario Brother's Level-1 design as an invisible tutorial: https://medium.com/@abhishekiyer_25378/the-perfect-game-tutorial-analyzing-super-marios-level-design-92f08c28bdf7 https://medium.com/@abhishekiyer_25378/the-perfect-game-tuto...
- doomlaser 7y ago
  Also related -- all of Super Mario Bros. in one image: https://i.imgur.com/g6JQ2WV.png https://i.imgur.com/g6JQ2WV.png / https://twitter.com/Doomlaser/status/1004802864433147904 https://twitter.com/Doomlaser/status/1004802864433147904
  - Nition 7y ago
    Check out VG Maps for maps of just about everything 2D. https://vgmaps.com https://vgmaps.com
- Chazprime 7y ago
  Great read, and here's an archive link if you've hit your limit on Medium: http://archive.is/49wPK http://archive.is/49wPK
- taneq 7y ago
  Also related: Sirlin's article on Donkey Kong Country 2's level design. http://www.sirlin.net/articles/the-secrets-of-donkey-kong-country-2 http://www.sirlin.net/articles/the-secrets-of-donkey-kong-co...
CM30 7y ago
If anyone else is fascinated in this stuff, it's probably worth watching Mark Brown's Game Makers Toolkit videos on YouTube. They really go into the thinking behind the Zelda series, Metroid series, Donkey Kong Country Tropical Freeze, etc, and the latter follows really well from this sort of article: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JqHcE6B4OP4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JqHcE6B4OP4 It's also a field with a ton of material on YouTube, blogs and industry websites, so yeah, even the sources/citations in the article are only scratching the surface there. Extra Credits, Critical Gaming, Snoman Gaming, Skip the Tutorial and a fair few others are worth checking out too.
- Fellshard 7y ago
  Mark Brown is a stellar presenter, and it's especially interesting to watch the model he uses expand and mature as he progresses through the Boss Keys series. He adapts it as he encounters challenges to his existing model in newer titles.
- NoodleIncident 7y ago
  I was really surprised and excited to see this article cite one of Mark Brown's GMT videos! (In the example of using an enemy in Super Metroid to indicate a way to break through the floor)
- Xelbair 7y ago
  are there transcripts with references(images, etc) available? I prefer reading, so much more, than watching a video - plus it takes way less time, and lets me focus better.
  - frosted-flakes 7y ago
    It's a video about a video game. Video really is the best format here.
- bbot23 7y ago
  "and a fair few others are worth checking out too." I love this topic. Care to recommend any other channels?
Lowkeyloki 7y ago
Since the Mario Maker sequel is just around the corner (release date is 6/28, I believe), this is a great source of good design hints and lessons for making satisfying, enjoyable levels.
zubspace 7y ago
The patterns described here are: Guidance (Leading the player), Safe Zones, Foreshadowing, Layering (Combining multiple enemies and hazards), Branching, Pace Breaking. It's a good list which can be applied side-scrollers, top-down games or even 3D games alike. The examples are great and some of those games really awaken unforgettable childhood memories. But I believe that the list could be so much longer. Some other things which which come to my mind regarding level design: Procedural generation, Unlocking, Backtracking, Parallax effects, Mixing environments, Transforming environments, Open and Closed levels, Secrets and Cow Levels... I'm having a great time thinking about this stuff. It's fascinating to observe those different elements while playing a game. Game mechanics are even more intricate. I think the combination of level design and game mechanics is key to creating a great game.
- llbowers 7y ago
  Hey,you sound like you know a lot about this topic. I'm really interested in learning about it, do you have any recommendations for resources (books, youtube channels, etc.)? Thanks!
  - zubspace 7y ago
    There are many resources for game design. But I have to tell you honestly that I think it's questionable just to read about it. You can read books, podcasts and blogs about it for years, but that alone doesn't make you a game designer. Anyhow, here are some resources I enjoy: [1] [2] [3] [4] Game Design is not a recognized science either; a lot depends on understanding what's fun and what's not. You'll get better the longer you play around. What distinguishes a good game designer from a beginner is years of practice. To achieve that, you have to be able to try new things in a very short time. Learn a game engine, which is widespread and does a lot of work for you (create games and not a game engine). Unity or Godot for example. Start small. Games you can finish within 1-2 weeks. If you can do that, you can write dozens of small games a year. You get faster and maybe find your own style. Here's a great resources which shows you, how someone from the indie community can approach it: [5] [6] Something I can't recommend enough are Game Jams. Take a look at Ludum Dare [7]. It really is fun to think up and implement a concept within a short time. And you learn a lot, through the process itself, through the feedback of the wonderful community and by playing other games. The next jam starts on October 4th. [1] https://www.reddit.com/r/gamedesign/ https://www.reddit.com/r/gamedesign/ [2] https://80.lv/articles/level-design-articles/ https://80.lv/articles/level-design-articles/ [3] https://keithburgun.net/podcast-2/ https://keithburgun.net/podcast-2/ [4] https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC0JB7TSe49lg56u6qH8y_MQ https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC0JB7TSe49lg56u6qH8y_MQ [5] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhb5hy4_sIM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhb5hy4_sIM [6] https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC9Z1XWw1kmnvOOFsj6Bzy2g/videos https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC9Z1XWw1kmnvOOFsj6Bzy2g/vid... [7] https://ldjam.com/ https://ldjam.com/
MattRix 7y ago
I love seeing posts about level design show up here! I did a talk at GDC a few years ago about puzzle game level design: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSUu_36SmlQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSUu_36SmlQ
DEADBEEFC0FFEE 7y ago
As a someone who has been gaming since about 1980, I find this fascinating. I think it's entirely likely to see credible machine generated maps, rules, art style before long.
- jaimex2 7y ago
  It's been done well already by some games. 1991's Toejam and Earl random worlds seemed to be incredibly good at it.
twic 7y ago
See also this wonderful monograph on Super Metroid: https://www.gamasutra.com/blogs/HugoBille/20120114/90903/The_Invisible_Hand_of_Super_Metroid.php https://www.gamasutra.com/blogs/HugoBille/20120114/90903/The... https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9438811 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9438811
Alsastre 7y ago
I really recommend [Levelhead](https://www.bscotch.net/games/levelhead https://www.bscotch.net/games/levelhead) from the creators of Crashlands. It is inspired by Mario Maker but I think it has a lot of needed improvements.
albertzeyer 7y ago
I really enjoyed the Commander Keen series. But also Duke Nukem 1-2 (2D), Crystal Caves, Bio Menace. Or Game of Robot. I always found that some of the platformer games of consoles, like Super Mario, Donkey Kong, had much more simplistic and kind of boring levels. You did not had to collect keys to enter doors, or do other more complicated things, but basically it was mostly dexterity. This aspect comes a bit short in this article, I think. To me it was always kind of crucial, how much such puzzle element there was in the game, whether I liked a platformer game or not.

401 points by homarp 7y ago

This sort of stuff is fascinating to me. There is so much design and forethought to level making that it just blows my mind. Whenever I am on the other end, playing the game, I never notice when the stage is built in a great way. I do, however, tend to notice whenever it has flaws. Maybe reading more about the design of it all will help me be more cognizant of the patience and dedication put into level design.

mysterydip 7y ago
The best level designs guide you to certain things while making you feel like you discovered or solved something completely on your own. Sometimes indies use procedural generation as a shortcut to creating levels (or replayability) without consideration for these patterns, and instead of creating an engaging varied scenario they end up being obviously disjointed and break the flow of the player.
- CraftThatBlock 7y ago
  For puzzle games, discovering the answer is much more satisfying than finding it in my opinion.
  - papln 7y ago
    How are you defining "discovering" vs "finding"? In plain language they are synonyms. Are you saying that seeing the answer is more satisfying than solving the puzzle? (as in a joke or a magic trick that you don't even try to solve?)
    - chii 7y ago
      i dunno if the parent post meant this, but i personally do feel that a game which seems to "let you do anything to solve the problem" plays better than one which has a "designed solution". Think an adventure game, where in order to proceed, you have to figure out the intention of the game designer for items and combinations (and pixel hunting). Compare that to the recent zelda game, where puzzles are more free-form - where you can employ physics to solve the problem at hand (such as crossing a cravice by falling a tree trunk across it).
- keerthiko 7y ago
  Most indies pay close attention to the level design, even if leaning on procedural generation to get part of the way there. I am part of a 2-person team building an indie racing/puzzle game. I am the "tools" guy and my teammate is the "level design" guy, and I provide the building blocks and the generative machinery, and he massages them into an intentional and balanced experience. Procedural level generation is only viable in production for games if a professional level designer can step in and tweak it.
  - mysterydip 7y ago
    Don't know if I agree with most (after all there were 7600 games released on steam in 2017), but I'd say the ones that are successful do pay close attention.
  - bostonpete 7y ago
    I'm not much of a gamer but a racing/puzzle game sounds intriguing. Is that a novel concept or are there existing examples out there already?
    - jwagenet 7y ago
      Trackmania has both dev and user created tracks which offer a puzzle type experience (in terms of determining how to get through the checkpoints). The most complex of these are ‘RPG’ tracks which are long, sometimes technically difficult, and often themed.
    - keerthiko 7y ago
      As a core game concept, it isn't common. We came upon it because we want our portfolio to be games that involve a cross-section of skills and play styles (strategic, on-the-fly planning, twitchy controls)[0] You can think of speedrunning a puzzle game as a racing/puzzle game though :) [0] https://colorballsgame.com/ https://colorballsgame.com/
- apacheCamel 7y ago
  I agree, I think some of the best designs lead you along without making it obvious at all. My opinion is that some of the top tier level design has a strict path on moving forward but lets it up to the player to decide how exactly they want to move down it.
- PhasmaFelis 7y ago
  Indeed. Good procgen can be amazing, but bad procgen feels really half-assed. Derek Yu's Spelunky pretty much single-handedly started the current procgen revolution, and he wrote a book about it. :) https://bossfightbooks.com/products/spelunky-by-derek-yu https://bossfightbooks.com/products/spelunky-by-derek-yu (He also wrote extensively about it in his blog, as I recall, though I don't have a link handy.)
- Xelbair 7y ago
  I really liked the approach the Dead Cells developers took. They handcrafted tiles, out of which a metroidvania style levels were generated. It consisted of a random graph generation(with constraints), and fitting the handcrafted elements to that graph. It took the best of both worlds - a properly designed levels with tons of replayability.
moron4hire 7y ago
Good design is always transparent
CM30 7y ago
In a sense, it's pretty similar to how theme parks are designed too, with the best ones being structured in much the same as a 3D collectathon level. There's usually a key focal point in the middle of the area to act as a reference, a bunch of smaller ones off to all sides meant to draw people's attention towards smaller obstacles/attractions, and clever uses of scenery and forced perspective to give the impression of a much bigger, more detailed world than's practically possible.
- stcredzero 7y ago
  In a sense, it's pretty similar to how theme parks are designed too Many modern games are basically theme parks. clever uses of scenery and forced perspective to give the impression of a much bigger, more detailed world than's practically possible This is why I prefer more sandboxy games with more potential for emergence.
  - CM30 7y ago
    To be fair, being designed like a theme park isn't necessarily a bad thing. Many great sandbox type games use similar techniques in their design, and a lot has been written about how designers created open worlds to incentivise exploration/encourage people to go off the beaten track (like in this talk about The Legend of Zelda Breath of the Wild): https://kotaku.com/breath-of-the-wilds-biggest-design-secret-lots-of-tria-1819113140 https://kotaku.com/breath-of-the-wilds-biggest-design-secret... And in the olden days, a lot of this was basically necessary due to technical limitations. You couldn't get Breath of the Wild size worlds running on the N64 or PS1, so games like Ocarina of Time and Majora's Mask had to use careful design to make the worlds feel a lot more complex than they actually were. Same with 3D platformers like Mario 64 or Banjo-Kazooie.
    - stcredzero 7y ago
      To be fair, being designed like a theme park isn't necessarily a bad thing. No, of course not. Sometimes I want a theme park! It's just that I'm sometimes promised a world and what I get is more of a theme park. Sometimes one wants the theme park. Sometimes, one wants a more "natural" experience. This also comes in degrees, which is part of why it's tricky.
huehehue 7y ago
There's a Doom playthrough with John Romero where he talks about waiting until the very end to design the first level; that is, it was the last one he made. The idea is that by the time you've finished the rest of the game, you're really good at making levels. You have a solid understanding of what makes a passage fair, balanced, engaging, and so on.
- komali2 7y ago
  The first Doom level is wild. It's really just two rooms and a hallway, unless you go into the third room... Or find the secret way outside, or the rocket launcher, or... Watching pros play deathmatch in the first level is a trip.
  - skocznymroczny 7y ago
    That's the first level in Doom 2. However, the iconic first level in Doom is E1M1: Hangar.
- jstarfish 7y ago
  That being true, the point of creating the first level last was also showmanship-- once you've honed your skills on all the forgettable middle levels, you're able to create a top-tier intro (and finale) that everyone remembers decades later.

tobyhinloopen 7y ago

Nice “allow” button at the close-button for the cookie tracking popup.

papln 7y ago

Related: an analysis of Super Mario Brother's Level-1 design as an invisible tutorial: https://medium.com/@abhishekiyer_25378/the-perfect-game-tutorial-analyzing-super-marios-level-design-92f08c28bdf7 https://medium.com/@abhishekiyer_25378/the-perfect-game-tuto...

doomlaser 7y ago
Also related -- all of Super Mario Bros. in one image: https://i.imgur.com/g6JQ2WV.png https://i.imgur.com/g6JQ2WV.png / https://twitter.com/Doomlaser/status/1004802864433147904 https://twitter.com/Doomlaser/status/1004802864433147904
- Nition 7y ago
  Check out VG Maps for maps of just about everything 2D. https://vgmaps.com https://vgmaps.com
Chazprime 7y ago
Great read, and here's an archive link if you've hit your limit on Medium: http://archive.is/49wPK http://archive.is/49wPK
taneq 7y ago
Also related: Sirlin's article on Donkey Kong Country 2's level design. http://www.sirlin.net/articles/the-secrets-of-donkey-kong-country-2 http://www.sirlin.net/articles/the-secrets-of-donkey-kong-co...

CM30 7y ago

If anyone else is fascinated in this stuff, it's probably worth watching Mark Brown's Game Makers Toolkit videos on YouTube. They really go into the thinking behind the Zelda series, Metroid series, Donkey Kong Country Tropical Freeze, etc, and the latter follows really well from this sort of article: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JqHcE6B4OP4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JqHcE6B4OP4 It's also a field with a ton of material on YouTube, blogs and industry websites, so yeah, even the sources/citations in the article are only scratching the surface there. Extra Credits, Critical Gaming, Snoman Gaming, Skip the Tutorial and a fair few others are worth checking out too.

Fellshard 7y ago
Mark Brown is a stellar presenter, and it's especially interesting to watch the model he uses expand and mature as he progresses through the Boss Keys series. He adapts it as he encounters challenges to his existing model in newer titles.
NoodleIncident 7y ago
I was really surprised and excited to see this article cite one of Mark Brown's GMT videos! (In the example of using an enemy in Super Metroid to indicate a way to break through the floor)
Xelbair 7y ago
are there transcripts with references(images, etc) available? I prefer reading, so much more, than watching a video - plus it takes way less time, and lets me focus better.
- frosted-flakes 7y ago
  It's a video about a video game. Video really is the best format here.
bbot23 7y ago
"and a fair few others are worth checking out too." I love this topic. Care to recommend any other channels?

Lowkeyloki 7y ago

Since the Mario Maker sequel is just around the corner (release date is 6/28, I believe), this is a great source of good design hints and lessons for making satisfying, enjoyable levels.

zubspace 7y ago

The patterns described here are: Guidance (Leading the player), Safe Zones, Foreshadowing, Layering (Combining multiple enemies and hazards), Branching, Pace Breaking. It's a good list which can be applied side-scrollers, top-down games or even 3D games alike. The examples are great and some of those games really awaken unforgettable childhood memories. But I believe that the list could be so much longer. Some other things which which come to my mind regarding level design: Procedural generation, Unlocking, Backtracking, Parallax effects, Mixing environments, Transforming environments, Open and Closed levels, Secrets and Cow Levels... I'm having a great time thinking about this stuff. It's fascinating to observe those different elements while playing a game. Game mechanics are even more intricate. I think the combination of level design and game mechanics is key to creating a great game.

llbowers 7y ago
Hey,you sound like you know a lot about this topic. I'm really interested in learning about it, do you have any recommendations for resources (books, youtube channels, etc.)? Thanks!
- zubspace 7y ago
  There are many resources for game design. But I have to tell you honestly that I think it's questionable just to read about it. You can read books, podcasts and blogs about it for years, but that alone doesn't make you a game designer. Anyhow, here are some resources I enjoy: [1] [2] [3] [4] Game Design is not a recognized science either; a lot depends on understanding what's fun and what's not. You'll get better the longer you play around. What distinguishes a good game designer from a beginner is years of practice. To achieve that, you have to be able to try new things in a very short time. Learn a game engine, which is widespread and does a lot of work for you (create games and not a game engine). Unity or Godot for example. Start small. Games you can finish within 1-2 weeks. If you can do that, you can write dozens of small games a year. You get faster and maybe find your own style. Here's a great resources which shows you, how someone from the indie community can approach it: [5] [6] Something I can't recommend enough are Game Jams. Take a look at Ludum Dare [7]. It really is fun to think up and implement a concept within a short time. And you learn a lot, through the process itself, through the feedback of the wonderful community and by playing other games. The next jam starts on October 4th. [1] https://www.reddit.com/r/gamedesign/ https://www.reddit.com/r/gamedesign/ [2] https://80.lv/articles/level-design-articles/ https://80.lv/articles/level-design-articles/ [3] https://keithburgun.net/podcast-2/ https://keithburgun.net/podcast-2/ [4] https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC0JB7TSe49lg56u6qH8y_MQ https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC0JB7TSe49lg56u6qH8y_MQ [5] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhb5hy4_sIM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhb5hy4_sIM [6] https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC9Z1XWw1kmnvOOFsj6Bzy2g/videos https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC9Z1XWw1kmnvOOFsj6Bzy2g/vid... [7] https://ldjam.com/ https://ldjam.com/

MattRix 7y ago

I love seeing posts about level design show up here! I did a talk at GDC a few years ago about puzzle game level design: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSUu_36SmlQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSUu_36SmlQ

DEADBEEFC0FFEE 7y ago

As a someone who has been gaming since about 1980, I find this fascinating. I think it's entirely likely to see credible machine generated maps, rules, art style before long.

jaimex2 7y ago
It's been done well already by some games. 1991's Toejam and Earl random worlds seemed to be incredibly good at it.

twic 7y ago

See also this wonderful monograph on Super Metroid: https://www.gamasutra.com/blogs/HugoBille/20120114/90903/The_Invisible_Hand_of_Super_Metroid.php https://www.gamasutra.com/blogs/HugoBille/20120114/90903/The... https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9438811 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9438811

Alsastre 7y ago

I really recommend [Levelhead](https://www.bscotch.net/games/levelhead https://www.bscotch.net/games/levelhead) from the creators of Crashlands. It is inspired by Mario Maker but I think it has a lot of needed improvements.

albertzeyer 7y ago

I really enjoyed the Commander Keen series. But also Duke Nukem 1-2 (2D), Crystal Caves, Bio Menace. Or Game of Robot. I always found that some of the platformer games of consoles, like Super Mario, Donkey Kong, had much more simplistic and kind of boring levels. You did not had to collect keys to enter doors, or do other more complicated things, but basically it was mostly dexterity. This aspect comes a bit short in this article, I think. To me it was always kind of crucial, how much such puzzle element there was in the game, whether I liked a platformer game or not.