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I'm sorry, but if you feel safe around places like 3rd and Pine you are being ignorant and I think you are minimizing in bad faith the danger that exists in the

I'm sorry, but if you feel safe around places like 3rd and Pine you are being ignorant and I think you are minimizing in bad faith the danger that exists in these places. See this: https://www.king5.com/article/news/local/5-people-shot-2-seriously-injured-in-downtown-seattle-shooting/281-350611854 https://www.king5.com/article/news/local/5-people-shot-2-ser... Indiscriminately firing a gun into a crowd of people seems like something that a reasonable person should be wary of.

empath75 7y ago
What are the actual odds of actually being involved in an incident like that, compared to being killed in a car accident while commuting to work every day?
- qvrjuec 7y ago
  So the argument is being made that this particular place should not make people feel unsafe. I think a proper car accident analogy would be to compare one intersection to 3rd and pine, instead of the entire commute. If one intersection had as many car crashes as 3rd and pine had violent crimes, would you feel unsafe driving through that intersection, and maybe drive another way home? More examples: https://komonews.com/news/local/hatchet-attack-on-3rd-and-pine-in-seattle-raises-concerns-about-ongoing-violence https://komonews.com/news/local/hatchet-attack-on-3rd-and-pi... https://www.kiro7.com/news/local/kiro-7-investigation-pike-pine-downtown-corridor-a-magnet-for-career-criminals/783884267 https://www.kiro7.com/news/local/kiro-7-investigation-pike-p... https://spdblotter.seattle.gov/2018/05/15/detectives-investigating-early-morning-robbery-shooting-downtown/ https://spdblotter.seattle.gov/2018/05/15/detectives-investi... https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/crime/police-inrease-patrols-around-3rd-and-pike-after-tourists-attacked-robbed/ https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/crime/police-inrea...
  - shirakawasuna 7y ago
    Those are all anecdotes. The City of Seattle publishes actual geolocated statistics. Feel free to rummage around those and make a real case.
    - qvrjuec 7y ago
      Check this: https://www.kiro7.com/news/where-are-seattles-most-dangerous-streets/246026271 https://www.kiro7.com/news/where-are-seattles-most-dangerous... The block on 3rd between Pike and Pine is the second most dangerous on KIRO's compiled list when looking at violent crime in Seattle according to those statistics. It looks like this data is from 2010-2013. I also can't find geolocated statistics - the best data I can see is at the beat level here: https://data.seattle.gov/Public-Safety/Crime-Data/4fs7-3vj5 https://data.seattle.gov/Public-Safety/Crime-Data/4fs7-3vj5 You sound like you know more about this than I, can you point me in the right direction?
      - StudentStuff 7y ago
        Oh hey, your data is from back when I was going through 3rd & Pike/Pine daily. I never felt threatened or particularly in danger in that area, nor did my teachers (who also transited those blocks for their bus/rail connections) or classmates feel unsafe in those two blocks during that period. FYI there is a live crime map, along with an interface to search older reports if you wander around seattle.gov
        qvrjuec 7y ago
        It's possible there is something the data is missing, like like the time of the crimes committed. I'm not invested enough to make a point by creating multiple queries against the available data sets. You and the other posters in this comment chain have provided anecdotal evidence that the area felt safe for you, but the data I'm seeing and anecdotes I've heard from friends tell me that it isn't safe. The live map only shows the last 24 hours, and links to the data I provided above for anything older than 24 hours. Maybe I'm not looking in the right place for data which has more specificity in the location tied to it.
shirakawasuna 7y ago
As a long-time Seattle resident, I feel perfectly safe on 3rd and Pine. Not everyone is as uncomfortable with folks living on the street as you - time to get out and listen to others' opinions rather than assuming bad faith. Your sole citation is a single shooting from three years ago.
- qvrjuec 7y ago
  Where did I imply I was uncomfortable with homeless people? I am uncomfortable with high profile violent crime. I provided more examples of this below.
notJim 7y ago
Oh come on, local news sensationalizes crimes like that to drive fear which drives views. If you look at it rationally, crime is at a historic low compared to the 80s and 90s. https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/data/is-seattle-dying-not-if-you-look-crime-rates-from-the-80s-and-90s/ https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/data/is-seattle-dy...

empath75 7y ago

What are the actual odds of actually being involved in an incident like that, compared to being killed in a car accident while commuting to work every day?

qvrjuec 7y ago
So the argument is being made that this particular place should not make people feel unsafe. I think a proper car accident analogy would be to compare one intersection to 3rd and pine, instead of the entire commute. If one intersection had as many car crashes as 3rd and pine had violent crimes, would you feel unsafe driving through that intersection, and maybe drive another way home? More examples: https://komonews.com/news/local/hatchet-attack-on-3rd-and-pine-in-seattle-raises-concerns-about-ongoing-violence https://komonews.com/news/local/hatchet-attack-on-3rd-and-pi... https://www.kiro7.com/news/local/kiro-7-investigation-pike-pine-downtown-corridor-a-magnet-for-career-criminals/783884267 https://www.kiro7.com/news/local/kiro-7-investigation-pike-p... https://spdblotter.seattle.gov/2018/05/15/detectives-investigating-early-morning-robbery-shooting-downtown/ https://spdblotter.seattle.gov/2018/05/15/detectives-investi... https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/crime/police-inrease-patrols-around-3rd-and-pike-after-tourists-attacked-robbed/ https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/crime/police-inrea...
- shirakawasuna 7y ago
  Those are all anecdotes. The City of Seattle publishes actual geolocated statistics. Feel free to rummage around those and make a real case.
  - qvrjuec 7y ago
    Check this: https://www.kiro7.com/news/where-are-seattles-most-dangerous-streets/246026271 https://www.kiro7.com/news/where-are-seattles-most-dangerous... The block on 3rd between Pike and Pine is the second most dangerous on KIRO's compiled list when looking at violent crime in Seattle according to those statistics. It looks like this data is from 2010-2013. I also can't find geolocated statistics - the best data I can see is at the beat level here: https://data.seattle.gov/Public-Safety/Crime-Data/4fs7-3vj5 https://data.seattle.gov/Public-Safety/Crime-Data/4fs7-3vj5 You sound like you know more about this than I, can you point me in the right direction?
    - StudentStuff 7y ago
      Oh hey, your data is from back when I was going through 3rd & Pike/Pine daily. I never felt threatened or particularly in danger in that area, nor did my teachers (who also transited those blocks for their bus/rail connections) or classmates feel unsafe in those two blocks during that period. FYI there is a live crime map, along with an interface to search older reports if you wander around seattle.gov
      - qvrjuec 7y ago
        It's possible there is something the data is missing, like like the time of the crimes committed. I'm not invested enough to make a point by creating multiple queries against the available data sets. You and the other posters in this comment chain have provided anecdotal evidence that the area felt safe for you, but the data I'm seeing and anecdotes I've heard from friends tell me that it isn't safe. The live map only shows the last 24 hours, and links to the data I provided above for anything older than 24 hours. Maybe I'm not looking in the right place for data which has more specificity in the location tied to it.

shirakawasuna 7y ago

As a long-time Seattle resident, I feel perfectly safe on 3rd and Pine. Not everyone is as uncomfortable with folks living on the street as you - time to get out and listen to others' opinions rather than assuming bad faith. Your sole citation is a single shooting from three years ago.

qvrjuec 7y ago
Where did I imply I was uncomfortable with homeless people? I am uncomfortable with high profile violent crime. I provided more examples of this below.

notJim 7y ago

Oh come on, local news sensationalizes crimes like that to drive fear which drives views. If you look at it rationally, crime is at a historic low compared to the 80s and 90s. https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/data/is-seattle-dying-not-if-you-look-crime-rates-from-the-80s-and-90s/ https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/data/is-seattle-dy...