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I don't know who they are targeting with this concept, but, as a developer, a lot of thing are wrong : - Anything that require the mouse make me slower. - Tra

I don't know who they are targeting with this concept, but, as a developer, a lot of thing are wrong : - Anything that require the mouse make me slower. - Trackpad gesture require a ... trackpad, and trackpad are worst than a mouse. - Speaking of the trackpad, anyone can put 6 fingers on it ? look painfull to me. - Animation are nice, but useless, they make the computer slower and takes time to complete. To me, this look anything but productive.

rco8786 7y ago
> Trackpad gesture require a ... trackpad, and trackpad are worst than a mouse. Interesting, as an engineer I prefer my trackpad 100x over a normal mouse...almost solely because of the gesture abilities. Agreed on the rest of your points.
- Phenix88be 7y ago
  I mainly use a workstation on a large desk in an office. If you use your laptop everywhere, on small table, desk, knee, trackpad are great because a mouse is basically unusable. But on a desk with plenty of space ? Also, from a medical point of view, I think a mouse is better than a trackpad. But I m not an expert in that field.
  - dlivingston 7y ago
    On a Windows box I would agree, but on macOS gestures are so productive that you actually lose quite a bit of productivity by using a mouse - even Apple's Magic Mouse.
  - rco8786 7y ago
    Yea - I use a separate magic trackpad at my desk, always. I don't even own a regular mouse.
- llao 7y ago
  Honest curiosity: How many gestures do you regularly use? How many buttons does your mouse have?
  - fwip 7y ago
    Not the person you're asking, but on my macbook I frequently use: two-finger swipe right (go back) four-finger swipe up (overview) four-finger swipe down (change between multiple windows of the same program) four-finger swipe left-right (change virtual desktops) pinch to zoom in/out The first four would be easy to bind to a mouse button, but the pinch zooming is really handy.
    - sjy 7y ago
      I got sick of not having a pinch to zoom gesture on my Windows desktop, so I bound Ctrl to a mouse button and hold it while using the scroll wheel. It's pretty handy, I wish I could do it on all mice.
      - Jaruzel 7y ago
        In a lot of Windows applications, and in the mainstream browsers, holding down the CTRL key and spinning the mousewheel gives you a zoom functionality. It's built in by default.
  - dlivingston 7y ago
    Not OP, but I use gestures religiously. Four fingers to the side to switch desktops (useful for 'categorizing' multiple projects), four fingers up to view all windows in a desktop, four fingers down to view all windows of the active app. Insanely useful and productive.
  - rco8786 7y ago
    I don't have a regular mouse, so 0. I probably use 5-8 gestures regularly? Mostly just two and three finger swipes in various directions.
  - zapzupnz 7y ago
Ajedi32 7y ago
> trackpad are worst than a mouse Not if you pair it with eye tracking, like they're suggesting. It might actually be significantly better than a mouse in that scenario; though I'd have to try it myself to know for sure.
- Phenix88be 7y ago
  They try to replace the keyboard and the mouse for more than a decade now, and the only thing they have done is to improve the keyboard and the mouse, or make it worst.
  - Ajedi32 7y ago
    I'm not sure what you're trying to say. Just because previous efforts have failed, doesn't mean we should just give up on trying to design something better. I'd also argue that touch screens already have replaced the mouse for the average user, so it really doesn't make sense to imply that the mouse is unbeatable.
- alpaca128 7y ago
  I'm very doubtful that eye tracking works nearly as precise, reliable and fast as a standard mouse. Although I do prefer touchpads in situations where high precision isn't required; it just feels more comfortable to me.
  - Ajedi32 7y ago
    That's why the article suggests using eye tracking in conjunction with the track pad. That way you get both precision and speed. (At least in theory; again I'd have to try it to see how well that'd work.)
bitwize 7y ago
> Trackpad gesture require a ... trackpad, and trackpad are worst than a mouse. For values of "trackpad" not manufactured by Apple. General consensus seems to be that Apple's Magic Trackpad is God's own input device, which has rendered mice forever obsolete. > Speaking of the trackpad, anyone can put 6 fingers on it ? look painfull to me. It's a UI designed for Count Rugen.
- Phenix88be 7y ago
  >> Trackpad gesture require a ... trackpad, and trackpad are worst than a mouse. > For values of "trackpad" not manufactured by Apple. General consensus seems to be that Apple's Magic Trackpad is God's own input device, which has rendered mice forever obsolete. Apple fan boy spotted ! I use to carry a mouse with my Macbook for long coding session. Don't get me wrong Apple trackpad are really good, but the hand position on any trackpad isn't great.
  - bitwize 7y ago
    Your sarcasm detector is either on the blink or not tuned to the band I was emitting sarcasm in. Rat wrestling is bad enough as it is, but with an actual rat involved at least I can attain reasonable precision with coarse muscle fibers. With fondling the rectangle, not so much, especially when clicks are involved and forget about dragging. I need two hands to achieve what even the rat lets me do with one. But then again I'm old and cranky. Millennial hands seem calibrated to the fondlepatch, preferring it even to the rat, and I keep hearing gushes about Apple's fondlepatches in particular on Hackernews and r/programming.
  - zapzupnz 7y ago
    The "you're a fanboy, your opinion isn't valid" approach to discourse is needlessly dismissive. > the hand position on any trackpad isn't great Seems fine to me on my Magic Trackpad 2.

rco8786 7y ago

> Trackpad gesture require a ... trackpad, and trackpad are worst than a mouse. Interesting, as an engineer I prefer my trackpad 100x over a normal mouse...almost solely because of the gesture abilities. Agreed on the rest of your points.

Phenix88be 7y ago
I mainly use a workstation on a large desk in an office. If you use your laptop everywhere, on small table, desk, knee, trackpad are great because a mouse is basically unusable. But on a desk with plenty of space ? Also, from a medical point of view, I think a mouse is better than a trackpad. But I m not an expert in that field.
- dlivingston 7y ago
  On a Windows box I would agree, but on macOS gestures are so productive that you actually lose quite a bit of productivity by using a mouse - even Apple's Magic Mouse.
- rco8786 7y ago
  Yea - I use a separate magic trackpad at my desk, always. I don't even own a regular mouse.
llao 7y ago
Honest curiosity: How many gestures do you regularly use? How many buttons does your mouse have?
- fwip 7y ago
  Not the person you're asking, but on my macbook I frequently use: two-finger swipe right (go back) four-finger swipe up (overview) four-finger swipe down (change between multiple windows of the same program) four-finger swipe left-right (change virtual desktops) pinch to zoom in/out The first four would be easy to bind to a mouse button, but the pinch zooming is really handy.
  - sjy 7y ago
    I got sick of not having a pinch to zoom gesture on my Windows desktop, so I bound Ctrl to a mouse button and hold it while using the scroll wheel. It's pretty handy, I wish I could do it on all mice.
    - Jaruzel 7y ago
      In a lot of Windows applications, and in the mainstream browsers, holding down the CTRL key and spinning the mousewheel gives you a zoom functionality. It's built in by default.
- dlivingston 7y ago
  Not OP, but I use gestures religiously. Four fingers to the side to switch desktops (useful for 'categorizing' multiple projects), four fingers up to view all windows in a desktop, four fingers down to view all windows of the active app. Insanely useful and productive.
- rco8786 7y ago
  I don't have a regular mouse, so 0. I probably use 5-8 gestures regularly? Mostly just two and three finger swipes in various directions.
- zapzupnz 7y ago

Ajedi32 7y ago

> trackpad are worst than a mouse Not if you pair it with eye tracking, like they're suggesting. It might actually be significantly better than a mouse in that scenario; though I'd have to try it myself to know for sure.

Phenix88be 7y ago
They try to replace the keyboard and the mouse for more than a decade now, and the only thing they have done is to improve the keyboard and the mouse, or make it worst.
- Ajedi32 7y ago
  I'm not sure what you're trying to say. Just because previous efforts have failed, doesn't mean we should just give up on trying to design something better. I'd also argue that touch screens already have replaced the mouse for the average user, so it really doesn't make sense to imply that the mouse is unbeatable.
alpaca128 7y ago
I'm very doubtful that eye tracking works nearly as precise, reliable and fast as a standard mouse. Although I do prefer touchpads in situations where high precision isn't required; it just feels more comfortable to me.
- Ajedi32 7y ago
  That's why the article suggests using eye tracking in conjunction with the track pad. That way you get both precision and speed. (At least in theory; again I'd have to try it to see how well that'd work.)

bitwize 7y ago

> Trackpad gesture require a ... trackpad, and trackpad are worst than a mouse. For values of "trackpad" not manufactured by Apple. General consensus seems to be that Apple's Magic Trackpad is God's own input device, which has rendered mice forever obsolete. > Speaking of the trackpad, anyone can put 6 fingers on it ? look painfull to me. It's a UI designed for Count Rugen.

Phenix88be 7y ago
>> Trackpad gesture require a ... trackpad, and trackpad are worst than a mouse. > For values of "trackpad" not manufactured by Apple. General consensus seems to be that Apple's Magic Trackpad is God's own input device, which has rendered mice forever obsolete. Apple fan boy spotted ! I use to carry a mouse with my Macbook for long coding session. Don't get me wrong Apple trackpad are really good, but the hand position on any trackpad isn't great.
- bitwize 7y ago
  Your sarcasm detector is either on the blink or not tuned to the band I was emitting sarcasm in. Rat wrestling is bad enough as it is, but with an actual rat involved at least I can attain reasonable precision with coarse muscle fibers. With fondling the rectangle, not so much, especially when clicks are involved and forget about dragging. I need two hands to achieve what even the rat lets me do with one. But then again I'm old and cranky. Millennial hands seem calibrated to the fondlepatch, preferring it even to the rat, and I keep hearing gushes about Apple's fondlepatches in particular on Hackernews and r/programming.
- zapzupnz 7y ago
  The "you're a fanboy, your opinion isn't valid" approach to discourse is needlessly dismissive. > the hand position on any trackpad isn't great Seems fine to me on my Magic Trackpad 2.