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I'll make this quick, and monitor to see if interest demands me go into more detail (personal experience). We do not rehabilitate prisoners. We have a ridiculo

by salemh 16y ago

I'll make this quick, and monitor to see if interest demands me go into more detail (personal experience). We do not rehabilitate prisoners. We have a ridiculous recidivism rate (60%+ depending on your data, demographic, etc). We have the highest amount of citizens in prison then any Western country. If the Mandatory Minimum Federal laws for drugs were flipped with actual State Violent crimes, we would have a much better society. I would love to see inmates having the ability to pursue a trade, learn programming, learn a skill which Trumps their felony..which is incredibly difficult. Felon's are obligated by law to note if they have been Charged with a Felony (depending on the wording, for example: "convicted in the last 7 years" you may mark NO if, it has in fact, been 8). Something that may be of interest. http://www.npr.org/blogs/talk/2008/02/getting_out_life_after_prison_1.html http://www.npr.org/blogs/talk/2008/02/getting_out_life_after...

joe_the_user 16y ago
The US has the highest rate of imprisonment and the largest number of prisoners of any country in the world (including China, which does give us a run for the money...) http://www.kcl.ac.uk/depsta/law/research/icps/downloads/world-prison-pop-seventh.pdf http://www.kcl.ac.uk/depsta/law/research/icps/downloads/worl... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incarceration_in_the_United_States#Comparison_with_other_countries http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incarceration_in_the_United_Sta...
rossriley 16y ago
There was an interesting article in Time magazine (http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1986002,00.html http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1986002,00....) that looked at the prison system in Norway, where the goal really is to rehabilitate people.
axod 16y ago
If there were less people in prison, and less reoffenders, who would make all the military equipment, household appliances, license plates etc etc for free? The US would have no slaves to work with! edit: Since I'm being downmodded for stating fact: http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=8289 http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=82... http://www.darkgovernment.com/news/slavery-in-u-s-prison-system/ http://www.darkgovernment.com/news/slavery-in-u-s-prison-sys... http://newworkerfeatures.blogspot.com/2010/02/us-prison-labour-return-to-slavery.html http://newworkerfeatures.blogspot.com/2010/02/us-prison-labo... http://www.insideprison.com/prison-industry-labor.asp http://www.insideprison.com/prison-industry-labor.asp http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwT6CisM0mU http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwT6CisM0mU There was also a great wikipedia article listing all the different things that inmates make. If they refuse, they're subjected to solitary confinement. The US should be thoroughly ashamed. Not that it'll ever be reported by the mainstream media.
- ChristianMarks 16y ago
  Mod parent up. The United States has NEVER gotten over its plantation/slave owner mentality. It's too deeply embedded in the collective unconscious to be calmly refuted--it's so close to the bone that it has to be vehemently, hysterically denied. It goes together with the inability of the United States' public to comprehend risk pools. And not only workers are enslaved, but you entrepreneurs are also, because the state requires you to administer a social program that the government is in a far better position to administer: health insurance (private insurance could then be purchased for more benefits). But forcing businesses to do this is a huge chunk of the deficit, incredibly economically inefficient and is forcing companies to outsource labor. Your new slave owners are the prisons and the insurance companies.
- jbooth 16y ago
  That misses the mark.. prisons are expensive. We'd be better off paying people $8/hr to make that stuff and not paying to house and guard them. The real reason is because you immediately lose a political argument if you're accused of being soft on crime. So there's absolutely no reasoned debate on the topic, the only time it comes up is when every so often a pol comes up with some dumbass punitive and counter-productive measure to get a headline. Additionally, most prisoners are black, and everyone knows this, while 80% of voters in most districts are white. So basically, the way we're acting is both short-term stupid (could just pay day laborers and save money) and long-term stupid (creating lifetime criminals by destroying other options for them).
jbester 16y ago
> I would love to see inmates having the ability to pursue a trade, learn programming Brings a whole new level to the saying "Always code as if the person who ends up maintaining your code is a violent psychopath who knows where you live."
okaramian 16y ago
Fundamentally it would require a shift in what a lot of the citizenry feels the prison system is. The prison system is currently not a system for rehabilitation, it's a system of punishment. It would be a breath of fresh air if we actually tried to rehabilitate people in prison to some degree. I don't know how far off that is, since a lot of people I've talked to seem to think that pretty horrible stuff like rape is part of ione's prison sentence.

by salemh 16y ago

joe_the_user 16y ago

The US has the highest rate of imprisonment and the largest number of prisoners of any country in the world (including China, which does give us a run for the money...) http://www.kcl.ac.uk/depsta/law/research/icps/downloads/world-prison-pop-seventh.pdf http://www.kcl.ac.uk/depsta/law/research/icps/downloads/worl... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incarceration_in_the_United_States#Comparison_with_other_countries http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incarceration_in_the_United_Sta...

rossriley 16y ago

There was an interesting article in Time magazine (http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1986002,00.html http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1986002,00....) that looked at the prison system in Norway, where the goal really is to rehabilitate people.

axod 16y ago

If there were less people in prison, and less reoffenders, who would make all the military equipment, household appliances, license plates etc etc for free? The US would have no slaves to work with! edit: Since I'm being downmodded for stating fact: http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=8289 http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=82... http://www.darkgovernment.com/news/slavery-in-u-s-prison-system/ http://www.darkgovernment.com/news/slavery-in-u-s-prison-sys... http://newworkerfeatures.blogspot.com/2010/02/us-prison-labour-return-to-slavery.html http://newworkerfeatures.blogspot.com/2010/02/us-prison-labo... http://www.insideprison.com/prison-industry-labor.asp http://www.insideprison.com/prison-industry-labor.asp http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwT6CisM0mU http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwT6CisM0mU There was also a great wikipedia article listing all the different things that inmates make. If they refuse, they're subjected to solitary confinement. The US should be thoroughly ashamed. Not that it'll ever be reported by the mainstream media.

ChristianMarks 16y ago
Mod parent up. The United States has NEVER gotten over its plantation/slave owner mentality. It's too deeply embedded in the collective unconscious to be calmly refuted--it's so close to the bone that it has to be vehemently, hysterically denied. It goes together with the inability of the United States' public to comprehend risk pools. And not only workers are enslaved, but you entrepreneurs are also, because the state requires you to administer a social program that the government is in a far better position to administer: health insurance (private insurance could then be purchased for more benefits). But forcing businesses to do this is a huge chunk of the deficit, incredibly economically inefficient and is forcing companies to outsource labor. Your new slave owners are the prisons and the insurance companies.
jbooth 16y ago
That misses the mark.. prisons are expensive. We'd be better off paying people $8/hr to make that stuff and not paying to house and guard them. The real reason is because you immediately lose a political argument if you're accused of being soft on crime. So there's absolutely no reasoned debate on the topic, the only time it comes up is when every so often a pol comes up with some dumbass punitive and counter-productive measure to get a headline. Additionally, most prisoners are black, and everyone knows this, while 80% of voters in most districts are white. So basically, the way we're acting is both short-term stupid (could just pay day laborers and save money) and long-term stupid (creating lifetime criminals by destroying other options for them).

jbester 16y ago

> I would love to see inmates having the ability to pursue a trade, learn programming Brings a whole new level to the saying "Always code as if the person who ends up maintaining your code is a violent psychopath who knows where you live."

okaramian 16y ago

Fundamentally it would require a shift in what a lot of the citizenry feels the prison system is. The prison system is currently not a system for rehabilitation, it's a system of punishment. It would be a breath of fresh air if we actually tried to rehabilitate people in prison to some degree. I don't know how far off that is, since a lot of people I've talked to seem to think that pretty horrible stuff like rape is part of ione's prison sentence.