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While relatable, this is just a low effort post more suited for Twitter or Reddit. For a fair comparison OP would need to use clean browser profiles on fresh I

by llao 7y ago

While relatable, this is just a low effort post more suited for Twitter or Reddit. For a fair comparison OP would need to use clean browser profiles on fresh IPs. Like this it is just fan-service for Google Captcha victims (like me).

SquareWheel 7y ago
I kept looking for the article. Surprised to see such a low-effort post submitted to HN.
- thinkingemote 7y ago
  Users have the option to flag submissions
  - SquareWheel 7y ago
    Okay, I will flag it. This submission still received almost 400 comments. That's pretty disappointing.
a012 7y ago
How can you have a fresh IP which isn't in your control?
- Someone1234 7y ago
  Many of us have control of our IP Address within a certain range. In fact I have to specially request a static IP and pay money for it. A dynamic IP that changes when I refresh DHCP on the edge router is free.
  - luckylion 7y ago
    > A dynamic IP that changes when I refresh DHCP on the edge router is free. But you don't know who had it before you, what Google thinks of it ("known Spammer", "legitimate User") etc, so that's not going to help in this case.
    - jakear 7y ago
      Maybe try buying up some unclaimed IPv6 space and test from there?
- deleted 7y ago
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ssivark 7y ago
FWIW I encountered the same problem this weekend. On a fresh Firefox profile (no prior browsing activity), reCAPTCHA just wouldn't let me log in to a website! Out of curiosity, I wanted to see how long they deny me -- well over ten minutes before I gave up in shock and horror. It felt like staring into the soul of evil.
driverdan 7y ago
This is a common problem with FF if you have any privacy settings enabled. ReCAPTCHA does deep fingerprinting. If you block that fingerprinting it punishes you.
- llao 7y ago
  Surely the same is true if you block these things in Chrome?
- ehsankia 7y ago
  If you come up with another way that is as effective in an ever growing world of bots trying to break anything in their way, I would love to use it. I've had to pay 100x bills on my monthly quota once too often, and as a hobby developer, I just can't afford trying to fight off people abusing my website every day. Yes, resorting to fingerprinting is not ideal, but what's better, asking everyone to solve that hard captcha, or only some users?
  - tracker1 7y ago
    Considering how easy it is to use real chrome with puppeteer, I'm inclined to not give the benefit of doubt on this one to google. In the end, a custom captcha is probably a better solution, even if it is easier than google's.
  - driverdan 7y ago
    Use self-hosted CAPTCHA with simpler solutions. They still keep out the stupid bots that can't get past ReCAPTCHA.
    - gwoplock 7y ago
      > Use self-hosted CAPTCHA with simpler solutions My favorite CAPTCHA is the one on the Arch Linux forms but I realize this cant be used many places. > What is the output of "date -u +%V$(uname)|sha1sum|sed 's/\W//g'"? Easy to do but hard to do with computers. My second favorite are the math problems one. However if these become popular people will just write bots for them and were back to square 1.
nfRfqX5n 7y ago
being logged into gmail and the status of that account affects captcha as well
ehsankia 7y ago
Not only that, you need to run multiple trials and average them. The post obviously picks the slowest most painful instance of a reloading captcha, where they got really unlucky. I've had those slow captcha's on Chrome too, they are not inherent to the browser.
ineedasername 7y ago
I disagree about the more appropriate for Twitter/Reddit than HN. But that's because my immediate interpretation, while not spelled out in the "article", was within the context of anti-competitive behavior by Google in making non-Chrome browser perform more poorly with google-created content.
- llao 7y ago
  The topic itself is definitely super interesting and relevant. But the submitted post is pretty much a meme.
ginko 7y ago
The slow reloading of images is just intentional harassment. There's no other explanation I can think of.
mdekkers 7y ago
>this is just a low effort post more suited for Twitter or Reddit Are you gatekeeping HN? 1199 votes on the link at this point appear to disagree with you. Like it is, your comment is simply virtue-signalling and contributes nothing to the discussion. Perhaps these type of comments are better suited to Twitter or Reddit.
Aissen 7y ago
That's a good idea for a research paper. Not something I'd OP though :-)

by llao 7y ago

SquareWheel 7y ago

I kept looking for the article. Surprised to see such a low-effort post submitted to HN.

thinkingemote 7y ago
Users have the option to flag submissions
- SquareWheel 7y ago
  Okay, I will flag it. This submission still received almost 400 comments. That's pretty disappointing.

a012 7y ago

How can you have a fresh IP which isn't in your control?

Someone1234 7y ago
Many of us have control of our IP Address within a certain range. In fact I have to specially request a static IP and pay money for it. A dynamic IP that changes when I refresh DHCP on the edge router is free.
- luckylion 7y ago
  > A dynamic IP that changes when I refresh DHCP on the edge router is free. But you don't know who had it before you, what Google thinks of it ("known Spammer", "legitimate User") etc, so that's not going to help in this case.
  - jakear 7y ago
    Maybe try buying up some unclaimed IPv6 space and test from there?
deleted 7y ago
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ssivark 7y ago

FWIW I encountered the same problem this weekend. On a fresh Firefox profile (no prior browsing activity), reCAPTCHA just wouldn't let me log in to a website! Out of curiosity, I wanted to see how long they deny me -- well over ten minutes before I gave up in shock and horror. It felt like staring into the soul of evil.

driverdan 7y ago

This is a common problem with FF if you have any privacy settings enabled. ReCAPTCHA does deep fingerprinting. If you block that fingerprinting it punishes you.

llao 7y ago
Surely the same is true if you block these things in Chrome?
ehsankia 7y ago
If you come up with another way that is as effective in an ever growing world of bots trying to break anything in their way, I would love to use it. I've had to pay 100x bills on my monthly quota once too often, and as a hobby developer, I just can't afford trying to fight off people abusing my website every day. Yes, resorting to fingerprinting is not ideal, but what's better, asking everyone to solve that hard captcha, or only some users?
- tracker1 7y ago
  Considering how easy it is to use real chrome with puppeteer, I'm inclined to not give the benefit of doubt on this one to google. In the end, a custom captcha is probably a better solution, even if it is easier than google's.
- driverdan 7y ago
  Use self-hosted CAPTCHA with simpler solutions. They still keep out the stupid bots that can't get past ReCAPTCHA.
  - gwoplock 7y ago
    > Use self-hosted CAPTCHA with simpler solutions My favorite CAPTCHA is the one on the Arch Linux forms but I realize this cant be used many places. > What is the output of "date -u +%V$(uname)|sha1sum|sed 's/\W//g'"? Easy to do but hard to do with computers. My second favorite are the math problems one. However if these become popular people will just write bots for them and were back to square 1.

nfRfqX5n 7y ago

being logged into gmail and the status of that account affects captcha as well

ehsankia 7y ago

Not only that, you need to run multiple trials and average them. The post obviously picks the slowest most painful instance of a reloading captcha, where they got really unlucky. I've had those slow captcha's on Chrome too, they are not inherent to the browser.

ineedasername 7y ago

I disagree about the more appropriate for Twitter/Reddit than HN. But that's because my immediate interpretation, while not spelled out in the "article", was within the context of anti-competitive behavior by Google in making non-Chrome browser perform more poorly with google-created content.

llao 7y ago
The topic itself is definitely super interesting and relevant. But the submitted post is pretty much a meme.

ginko 7y ago

The slow reloading of images is just intentional harassment. There's no other explanation I can think of.

mdekkers 7y ago

>this is just a low effort post more suited for Twitter or Reddit Are you gatekeeping HN? 1199 votes on the link at this point appear to disagree with you. Like it is, your comment is simply virtue-signalling and contributes nothing to the discussion. Perhaps these type of comments are better suited to Twitter or Reddit.

Aissen 7y ago

That's a good idea for a research paper. Not something I'd OP though :-)