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The battle in Israel to create an unhackable phone
- neonate 7y agohttp://archive.is/nQ5Fb http://archive.is/nQ5Fb
- onyva 7y agoWell, it want be a product because israeli companies never bring anything to the market, just create hype and exit as soon as they can. In general the state of IT in Israel is quite sad from usability and design perspective. Most of it looks like it was developed in the 90s and was never touched again (ie my university’s e-learning platform). As for consumer products, was there anything after Epilady?
- cl0ckt0wer 7y agoUp until a couple months ago there was Mellanox: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mellanox_Technologies https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mellanox_Technologies
- eequah9L 7y agoStill is, the Nvidia acquisition is still not over, and the recent stock price drop might hint at some nervousness whether it will go through at all.
- googlemike 7y agoI like how you paint all the companies from a single country with such a wide brush! You are very wrong - A few Israeli startups that have made revolutionary products, off the top of my head: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waze https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waze https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobileye https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobileye https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viber https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viber Oh and Apple, Microsoft, Intel, IBM, Motorola, and Google have offices there - so perhaps there is some tech talent there? (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silicon_Wadi https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silicon_Wadi)
- onyva 7y agoTalking about hardware. Though even based on the software products mentioned here, why Israel a startup nation? There are other countries other than USA, that had success with more products and far less hype. Again, from usability and design perspective, internal market, Israel’s infrastructure is very backward. Universities, banks, governments ... everything was developed by one company, a contractor of Microsoft Israel called Matrix, and it looks as bad as it sounds.
- King-Aaron 7y agoIt feels like you just have a bone to pick with Israel?
- busterarm 7y agoJFrog?
- zaat 7y agoThis is beyond ignorance, from this thread: Mellanox, MobilEye, Jfrog, OrboTech. Not mentioned yet: SodaStream, RedisLabs, (now Google's) Anthos migrate. And there are so many more that your statement is ridiculous. What have you done lately?
- MisterTea 7y agoI cut my teeth on Industrial automation and robotics in High school on an Eshed Robotec system (now Intellitech and seem to have downsized). There's also ACS motion control and Galil motion control. All Israeli.
- avip 7y agoThe most astonishing part of your comment is that you remember Epilady :)
- monocasa 7y agoAll main Intel uArchs since after Pentium 4 are derived from Israeli work. They did the Pentium M, which became the Core series after Intel finally figured out they weren't going to get 10GHz 30 stage pipeline Pentium 4s. The Israeli group's work basically saved Intel in the mid 2000s from AMD's competition.
- ronenmiz 7y agoWhat about Waze?
- whatamidoingyo 7y agoI remember speaking to a guy at a bar. He said he worked at IBM, and wanted me to write the software for an "unhackable" phone, that "never needs to be updated". I think I left shortly after.
- ryanlol 7y agoWhy would an unhackable phone require update capability? A smartphone almost certainly would, but I don’t see why a simple dumbphone would require such.
- upofadown 7y agoThe NSO Group's technology ends up being an oppression enabler in practice. Citizen Lab has been quite critical: * https://citizenlab.ca/?s=nso+group https://citizenlab.ca/?s=nso+group
- bhouston 7y agoI view working for NSO Group is no different than working for any arms company. And there is a lot of money to be made selling arms to despots and dictators. In part, because it is those leaders who have the least legitimacy are those who are the most insecure and feel need the strongest tools to solidify their rule. Secure leaders do not need to stockpile arms, nor do they need to forcibly suppress their dissidents (which is what I understand is the main market is for NSO Group's tools.)
- duxup 7y ago>Secure leaders do not need to stockpile arms Well that can be more of a factor of what their foreign policy is / situation is and less about internal legitimacy. Maybe better said they don't need to stockpile arms for domestic use as much if they feel secure / legitimate.
- CrowFly 7y agoYou are an oppressor of the indigenous people of Judea and Sumeria -- the Jews.
- seonsakke 7y agoGreat business model combination by these companies. The one focuses on hacking, the other on protecting from hacking. I would think that the different national intelligence agencies would have high interest in infiltrating such companies.
- danny_taco 7y agoIt's quite clever actually, why spend resources to try and infiltrate them - which is not a guarantee, when you can pay a fraction of the cost for their capabilities so you can focus your efforts on other nation states or your own citizens.
- seonsakke 7y agoGood point: I think the cost of buying the service is much lower than the cost of any covert operations or infiltration. (This is a pure guess.)
- bhouston 7y ago> I would think that the different national intelligence agencies would have high interest in infiltrating such companies. I bet in general non-governmental companies, especially with distributed offices, distributed sales teams, are especially easy to hack/infiltrate. But NSO Group's target has never been other countries, it has been focused on helping governments infiltrate their citizen's and opponent's phones, which is a much softer target.
- leandrod 7y agohttp://intactphone.com/ http://intactphone.com/