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I think their claim might be a bit more nuanced. They are the original vendor of the Software, and have a special status that allows them to have an expertise o

I think their claim might be a bit more nuanced. They are the original vendor of the Software, and have a special status that allows them to have an expertise on the OS that other third parties do not.

nostrademons 7y ago
They're also a U.S. company and subject to U.S. laws. A large portion of Google's implicit argument (that they'll never make to the public, but are probably making to the Trump administration) is that it's better for the dominant mobile phone operating system to be written by an American company with American values, subject to U.S. laws, than have Huawei fork it and potentially end up with the dominant mobile operating system controlled by a Chinese company with Chinese values and subject to Chinese laws.
- BryantD 7y ago
  This seems very plausible to me.
- mistermann 7y ago
  > that they'll never make to the public, but are probably making to the Trump administration I would love to be a fly on the wall where the actual trade negotiation strategies are being considered. There is a very popular and simplistic notion that this trade war is nothing more than uninformed and random actions on behalf of the whims of a delusional, unintelligent President, that there are no "adults" involved whatsoever. I suspect the reality is very much different than that. https://www.politico.com/story/2018/05/22/china-japan-lighthizer-trump-602657 https://www.politico.com/story/2018/05/22/china-japan-lighth... As China figures out how to deal with Robert Lighthizer, US President Donald Trump’s top trade negotiator, Beijing has turned to an unexpected rival for advice – Japan. A diplomatic source who has dealt with Lighthizer said Chinese officials and academics have reached out in recent months to foreign diplomats and former officials of American trading partners for wisdom on handling the US trade representative. The irony of China looking to its neighbor and rival Japan for insight has been brought about by the pivotal role Lighthizer played in the US-Japan trade battles of more than three decades ago, with severe consequences for Japan. “Lighthizer is tough and relentless in negotiations,” the source said. “Some Chinese officials and experts are looking for advice on how to deal with [him].” As former US President Ronald Reagan’s deputy trade chief in the 1980s, Lighthizer negotiated two dozen trade agreements with foreign nations on a range of commodities, from steel to farm products. When Japan’s trade surplus with the US was sparking a confrontation between the two countries, the former international trade lawyer pressured Japan to reduce steel and auto exports to the US by restricting its shipments of electronic and agricultural products with punitive tariffs and quotas. Washington also launched a series of trade investigations against Japan, leading to the US dollar’s depreciation against the Japanese yen. Japan’s economy went into a decade-long decline after an attempt to boost domestic consumption through the lowering of interest rates triggered a bubble economy built on inflated real estate and stock market prices that ultimately collapsed.
- pbhjpbhj 7y ago
  The Google I use, for search at least says: "the Services are provided by Google Ireland Limited (“Google”), a company incorporated and operating under the laws of Ireland" to quote the terms of service. Providing any of my data to USA secret service would appear to be espionage, probably treason, and against EU law. I'll bet NSA have access to everything Google know (internally) about me. The Chinese government probably have all details of my interactions with baidu or Ali Express too. They look the same to me in this respect, only the Chinese aren't telling my government who they're allowed to do business with.
  - gowld 7y ago
    The NSA doesn't obey EU law. The NSA's core mission is to violate foreign law in order to collect information.
    - pbhjpbhj 7y ago
      Google Ireland are supposed to though.
  - threeseed 7y ago
    This false equivalence is so ridiculous. China is a dictatorship, has no independent judiciary/media, routinely kidnaps Chinese people (not even citizens) in foreign countries, is running the world's 're-education' centre where millions of journalists, Muslims etc are all being detained and is a police state unless anything in history. US maybe stealing your data. But at least you can go to a court or deal with the media to advance your cause without fear of retribution.
    - pbhjpbhj 7y ago
      That's why I didn't say what you're claiming, I said the effect on me - neither in the USA nor in China - is equivalent AFAICT. China and USA are both doubtless spying on my country's population and accessing my PII/data as part of that. I'm pretty sure my legal recourse against NSA is identical to that against the Chinese secret services, zilch. Let's be realistic. Trump wants us to stop using Huawei _and_ use USA company produced comms equipment. A consideration of that is then USA can do what they're claiming China is doing. AFAICT you have a legal framework in place to enable just that. What's most incredible to me is that GCHQ haven't endorsed the apparent false claims, which actually gives me some hope about UK (but equally could be meta-games on post-Brexit trade deals; or false flags; or whatever).
BryantD 7y ago
Agreed, but that claim intersects in an interesting way with phone OS vendors who also make their own hardware. I’m not sure Google wants to go down that path either. Man, now I really do want to see the original source material.

nostrademons 7y ago

They're also a U.S. company and subject to U.S. laws. A large portion of Google's implicit argument (that they'll never make to the public, but are probably making to the Trump administration) is that it's better for the dominant mobile phone operating system to be written by an American company with American values, subject to U.S. laws, than have Huawei fork it and potentially end up with the dominant mobile operating system controlled by a Chinese company with Chinese values and subject to Chinese laws.

BryantD 7y ago
This seems very plausible to me.
mistermann 7y ago
> that they'll never make to the public, but are probably making to the Trump administration I would love to be a fly on the wall where the actual trade negotiation strategies are being considered. There is a very popular and simplistic notion that this trade war is nothing more than uninformed and random actions on behalf of the whims of a delusional, unintelligent President, that there are no "adults" involved whatsoever. I suspect the reality is very much different than that. https://www.politico.com/story/2018/05/22/china-japan-lighthizer-trump-602657 https://www.politico.com/story/2018/05/22/china-japan-lighth... As China figures out how to deal with Robert Lighthizer, US President Donald Trump’s top trade negotiator, Beijing has turned to an unexpected rival for advice – Japan. A diplomatic source who has dealt with Lighthizer said Chinese officials and academics have reached out in recent months to foreign diplomats and former officials of American trading partners for wisdom on handling the US trade representative. The irony of China looking to its neighbor and rival Japan for insight has been brought about by the pivotal role Lighthizer played in the US-Japan trade battles of more than three decades ago, with severe consequences for Japan. “Lighthizer is tough and relentless in negotiations,” the source said. “Some Chinese officials and experts are looking for advice on how to deal with [him].” As former US President Ronald Reagan’s deputy trade chief in the 1980s, Lighthizer negotiated two dozen trade agreements with foreign nations on a range of commodities, from steel to farm products. When Japan’s trade surplus with the US was sparking a confrontation between the two countries, the former international trade lawyer pressured Japan to reduce steel and auto exports to the US by restricting its shipments of electronic and agricultural products with punitive tariffs and quotas. Washington also launched a series of trade investigations against Japan, leading to the US dollar’s depreciation against the Japanese yen. Japan’s economy went into a decade-long decline after an attempt to boost domestic consumption through the lowering of interest rates triggered a bubble economy built on inflated real estate and stock market prices that ultimately collapsed.
pbhjpbhj 7y ago
The Google I use, for search at least says: "the Services are provided by Google Ireland Limited (“Google”), a company incorporated and operating under the laws of Ireland" to quote the terms of service. Providing any of my data to USA secret service would appear to be espionage, probably treason, and against EU law. I'll bet NSA have access to everything Google know (internally) about me. The Chinese government probably have all details of my interactions with baidu or Ali Express too. They look the same to me in this respect, only the Chinese aren't telling my government who they're allowed to do business with.
- gowld 7y ago
  The NSA doesn't obey EU law. The NSA's core mission is to violate foreign law in order to collect information.
  - pbhjpbhj 7y ago
    Google Ireland are supposed to though.
- threeseed 7y ago
  This false equivalence is so ridiculous. China is a dictatorship, has no independent judiciary/media, routinely kidnaps Chinese people (not even citizens) in foreign countries, is running the world's 're-education' centre where millions of journalists, Muslims etc are all being detained and is a police state unless anything in history. US maybe stealing your data. But at least you can go to a court or deal with the media to advance your cause without fear of retribution.
  - pbhjpbhj 7y ago
    That's why I didn't say what you're claiming, I said the effect on me - neither in the USA nor in China - is equivalent AFAICT. China and USA are both doubtless spying on my country's population and accessing my PII/data as part of that. I'm pretty sure my legal recourse against NSA is identical to that against the Chinese secret services, zilch. Let's be realistic. Trump wants us to stop using Huawei _and_ use USA company produced comms equipment. A consideration of that is then USA can do what they're claiming China is doing. AFAICT you have a legal framework in place to enable just that. What's most incredible to me is that GCHQ haven't endorsed the apparent false claims, which actually gives me some hope about UK (but equally could be meta-games on post-Brexit trade deals; or false flags; or whatever).

BryantD 7y ago

Agreed, but that claim intersects in an interesting way with phone OS vendors who also make their own hardware. I’m not sure Google wants to go down that path either. Man, now I really do want to see the original source material.