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This scepticism is itself a problem. There's a whole branch of philosophy that claims that the objective truth is impossible to know. With deepfakes that's even

by mamon 7y ago

This scepticism is itself a problem. There's a whole branch of philosophy that claims that the objective truth is impossible to know. With deepfakes that's even more true, and might drive a lot of people into despair and apathy.

hanniabu 7y ago
Exactly, I have shown my friends media of their favorite politician contradicting himself and their response is fake news
lopmotr 7y ago
We'll still have provenance and trusted organizations which is what we mainly use to verify important and easily faked things like written words, photos, and videos that might be taken from a different context to what their descriptions claim. There are other techniques people have developed to verify things too, like the group recitals that transmitted the old testament orally for multiple generations. You couldn't just edit it and repeat a fake version because the change would have conflicted with the consensus. Society survived before videos and photos, when all information was easily edited. I think we'll be fine. Maybe we're just in a brief decade or two where we became complacent at believing all videos were real without taking any of the care that we used to take with grainy films of alien autopsies or spoken testimonies of people who claimed to have seen bigfoot.
- anigbrowl 7y ago
  We'll still have provenance and trusted organizations Oh boy are you in for a rude awakening. It doesn't matter what smart people believe if enough stupid people are convinced of something else. You're using examples from times of very low information distribution to form expectations about the opposite condition, which is already problematic, and ignoring all nonsensical superstition that used to be the norm. When I was growing up I remember a minor local mania over a supposed miracle at a religious shrine which became a summer sensation. People were charting tour buses to say prayers and hoping to witness a miracle themselves. Right now in the US we have a community of people who have been enthusiastically chanting at political rallies about locking their opponents up for the last 3 years without any apparent care for evidence or factual basis. Obviously political rallies are known for their hyperbole but at some point you have to feed the beast.
  - lopmotr 7y ago
    Oh, I've got no hope for the majority of people. They're a lost cause - they still believe in religions! They don't need videos to convince them because even rumors will do. I'm thinking of at least casually critical people or courts, those who have some interest in what's true.

by mamon 7y ago

hanniabu 7y ago

Exactly, I have shown my friends media of their favorite politician contradicting himself and their response is fake news

lopmotr 7y ago

We'll still have provenance and trusted organizations which is what we mainly use to verify important and easily faked things like written words, photos, and videos that might be taken from a different context to what their descriptions claim. There are other techniques people have developed to verify things too, like the group recitals that transmitted the old testament orally for multiple generations. You couldn't just edit it and repeat a fake version because the change would have conflicted with the consensus. Society survived before videos and photos, when all information was easily edited. I think we'll be fine. Maybe we're just in a brief decade or two where we became complacent at believing all videos were real without taking any of the care that we used to take with grainy films of alien autopsies or spoken testimonies of people who claimed to have seen bigfoot.

anigbrowl 7y ago
We'll still have provenance and trusted organizations Oh boy are you in for a rude awakening. It doesn't matter what smart people believe if enough stupid people are convinced of something else. You're using examples from times of very low information distribution to form expectations about the opposite condition, which is already problematic, and ignoring all nonsensical superstition that used to be the norm. When I was growing up I remember a minor local mania over a supposed miracle at a religious shrine which became a summer sensation. People were charting tour buses to say prayers and hoping to witness a miracle themselves. Right now in the US we have a community of people who have been enthusiastically chanting at political rallies about locking their opponents up for the last 3 years without any apparent care for evidence or factual basis. Obviously political rallies are known for their hyperbole but at some point you have to feed the beast.
- lopmotr 7y ago
  Oh, I've got no hope for the majority of people. They're a lost cause - they still believe in religions! They don't need videos to convince them because even rumors will do. I'm thinking of at least casually critical people or courts, those who have some interest in what's true.