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That sucks really badly... Sad customer here.

by foxhop 7y ago

brianwawok 7y ago
What was their win over AWS or GCE?
- e12e 7y ago
  Not a customer, but their main differentiator was co-locality of data and compute resources, leading to better utilization/lower communication overhead. The use of Solaris, their port of kvm etc were implementation details. Sorry to see them go, one of the few "cloud" providers that actually seemed to to some creative thinking on the architecture side.
  - Thaxll 7y ago
    Yeah how can you compete against AWS / x86 / Linux on that space not sure.
    - Annatar 7y ago
      With technology which is an order of magnitude more concerned with reliability and easier to use than any competition out there, that's how.
      - dijit 7y ago
        Apparently not.
        user5994461 7y ago
        There is nothing that can be an order of magnitude better than DO/AWS/GCE on multiple aspects.
        xj9 7y ago
        prove it :)
        Annatar 7y ago
        Prove it.
      - Thaxll 7y ago
        By using Solaris / re-implementig KVM on different arch / platform, ofc it's the wrong approach, on one side you what 100s eng at Joyent working on that, where the rest of the world uses native KVM, x86, Linux ect ... it's just not possible on a tech level to compete.
        elijahwright 7y ago
        Joyent has had nowhere near hundreds of engineers, I'm sorry to say. Small tribe with amazing results.
        jmarneweck 7y ago
        It used to amaze Joyent's clients how small Joyent's Cloud Operations team was.
        Annatar 7y ago
        SmartOS beats GNU/Linux feature for feature and it has features like fault management architecture that are science fiction for Linux. For example, it will migrate affected memory pages from portions of the chip with too many parity errors and it will off-line the chip if necessary, but the server will continue to function. All of that will be uniformly reported on top of that and is visible with fmadm faulty. I can off-line faulty processors and replace them on hardware which supports that while the system continues to serve. Then there is COMSTAR, a reference fiberchannel and iSCSI implementation. illumos inherited the reference NFS V3 and V4 implementations from Solaris. The runtime linker is so advanced in respect to versioned interfaces that it looks like it's magical. The list could go on and on and on... Linux is nowhere near any of that. Linux barely works somehow but when it comes to running serious infrastructure and data integrity, that's not enough. Just because most people think bash completion and GNU commands are what makes GNU/Linux superior doesn't mean that it actually is: it's very crude and unreliable underneath, especially since you have armies of people constantly hacking on it and breaking kernel interfaces, especially in networking. Try running a firewall / VPN company with it to see what a nightmare it is. And that's just one instance. And then there is cloud: nothing that GNU/Linux has comes even remotely close to how simple, secure and fast Solaris zones in SmartOS are. Literally nothing: I can pull an image with imgadm and instantiate a bare metal performance UNIX®️ or GNU/Linux virtual server in under 25 seconds with vmadm. No Kubernetes or Docker or OpenVZ or Terraform can do that, and those are all afterthought bolt-ons, while imgadm and vmadm are core of SmartOS and its reason of existence.
mpanama 7y ago
Luckily the tech is still going strong, joyent and other are still there to push forward. There are also EOL partners (https://docs.joyent.com/joyent-public-cloud-eol https://docs.joyent.com/joyent-public-cloud-eol) that you can migrate to quite easily. (Hint; were one of them)
- _delirium 7y ago
  Do any of the EOL partners run a public Manta install? I haven't found one yet. To me that's one of the harder to replace parts of JPC.
nwilkens 7y ago
As one of the migration partners (mnx.io), please reach out. We can help you move to anywhere, or keep you running SmartOS with us! Nick at mnx io

That sucks really badly... Sad customer here.

by foxhop 7y ago

That sucks really badly... Sad customer here.

brianwawok 7y ago

What was their win over AWS or GCE?

e12e 7y ago
Not a customer, but their main differentiator was co-locality of data and compute resources, leading to better utilization/lower communication overhead. The use of Solaris, their port of kvm etc were implementation details. Sorry to see them go, one of the few "cloud" providers that actually seemed to to some creative thinking on the architecture side.
- Thaxll 7y ago
  Yeah how can you compete against AWS / x86 / Linux on that space not sure.
  - Annatar 7y ago
    With technology which is an order of magnitude more concerned with reliability and easier to use than any competition out there, that's how.
    - dijit 7y ago
      Apparently not.
      - user5994461 7y ago
        There is nothing that can be an order of magnitude better than DO/AWS/GCE on multiple aspects.
        xj9 7y ago
        prove it :)
        Annatar 7y ago
        Prove it.
    - Thaxll 7y ago
      By using Solaris / re-implementig KVM on different arch / platform, ofc it's the wrong approach, on one side you what 100s eng at Joyent working on that, where the rest of the world uses native KVM, x86, Linux ect ... it's just not possible on a tech level to compete.
      - elijahwright 7y ago
        Joyent has had nowhere near hundreds of engineers, I'm sorry to say. Small tribe with amazing results.
        jmarneweck 7y ago
        It used to amaze Joyent's clients how small Joyent's Cloud Operations team was.
      - Annatar 7y ago
        SmartOS beats GNU/Linux feature for feature and it has features like fault management architecture that are science fiction for Linux. For example, it will migrate affected memory pages from portions of the chip with too many parity errors and it will off-line the chip if necessary, but the server will continue to function. All of that will be uniformly reported on top of that and is visible with fmadm faulty. I can off-line faulty processors and replace them on hardware which supports that while the system continues to serve. Then there is COMSTAR, a reference fiberchannel and iSCSI implementation. illumos inherited the reference NFS V3 and V4 implementations from Solaris. The runtime linker is so advanced in respect to versioned interfaces that it looks like it's magical. The list could go on and on and on... Linux is nowhere near any of that. Linux barely works somehow but when it comes to running serious infrastructure and data integrity, that's not enough. Just because most people think bash completion and GNU commands are what makes GNU/Linux superior doesn't mean that it actually is: it's very crude and unreliable underneath, especially since you have armies of people constantly hacking on it and breaking kernel interfaces, especially in networking. Try running a firewall / VPN company with it to see what a nightmare it is. And that's just one instance. And then there is cloud: nothing that GNU/Linux has comes even remotely close to how simple, secure and fast Solaris zones in SmartOS are. Literally nothing: I can pull an image with imgadm and instantiate a bare metal performance UNIX®️ or GNU/Linux virtual server in under 25 seconds with vmadm. No Kubernetes or Docker or OpenVZ or Terraform can do that, and those are all afterthought bolt-ons, while imgadm and vmadm are core of SmartOS and its reason of existence.

mpanama 7y ago

Luckily the tech is still going strong, joyent and other are still there to push forward. There are also EOL partners (https://docs.joyent.com/joyent-public-cloud-eol https://docs.joyent.com/joyent-public-cloud-eol) that you can migrate to quite easily. (Hint; were one of them)

_delirium 7y ago
Do any of the EOL partners run a public Manta install? I haven't found one yet. To me that's one of the harder to replace parts of JPC.

nwilkens 7y ago

As one of the migration partners (mnx.io), please reach out. We can help you move to anywhere, or keep you running SmartOS with us! Nick at mnx io