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Well, we've had some wonderful crackpots through the ages. Tesla comes to mind. Whatever you think about his idea of escape velocity you can't doubt the engin
by Beltiras 7y ago
Well, we've had some wonderful crackpots through the ages. Tesla comes to mind.
Whatever you think about his idea of escape velocity you can't doubt the engineering approach he advocates makes sense. Solve these 7 problems [1] and there will be no reason the organism should die.
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aubrey_de_Grey#The_seven_types_of_aging_damage https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aubrey_de_Grey#The_seven_types...
- WilliamEdward 7y agookay thats great but how do i solve these problems? I don't have encyclopaedic knowledge on all things that can cause mutations and cell damage.
- Beltiras 7y agoIt's important enough a "discovery" in and of itself to come up with the definitive list. You can't solve a problem if you don't know what it is.
- naasking 7y ago> okay thats great but how do i solve these problems? de Grey's list is about guiding research directions, it's not for ordinary people to use.
- nudpiedo 7y agoI can doubt of the engineering approach he advocates, because I am aware that people like me is completely an outsider in this branch of science and I cannot differentiate a charlatan from an actual scientist. You could fool a person ignorant enough in a speciality with statements such as: - To fly we just need a way to defeat gravity. - To resurrect a body we just need to insufflate the soul back to the body. - To make a head transplant we just need to reconnect the nerves and wait the meat to glue. - An artificial intelligence will solve our company's problem. This ver same person could be highly skilled or smart in other aspects. The more technical or scientific we sound the more a subject will give authority to the charlatan. I ignore if these statements made by this person are overall valid, if the list is exhaust and if the things there are additional factors I ignore. Even in such case we also ignore the deepness of the problem and circumstances related. Most of people, including myself, are no biologist or cryonogists and have not enough knowledge on that level, in addition it is in the human nature to have high hopes in self perpetuating ourselves. Thats the perfect ground for charlatans to grow.
- Beltiras 7y agoYour list lacks detail where AdG includes very specific things to solve.
- nudpiedo 7y agoFirst of all, being specific doesn't mean irrefutable, correct or that it makes actual sense. My statements only seem unspecific because they are ridiculous for an educated person in our current century (although many educated people from our century felt for the last one.) I don't want to turn that example in an exaggerated dichotomy, but my point is that for someone who lacks skill or knowledge on a deeply complex topic, most of the time by using the specific jargon the person will sounds specific, professional, serious,... they will automatically sound like an expert or authority in the subject. In other words, I don't think most of people here in this forum, and for sure not myself, is qualified enough to say whether the first sentence is more specific or realizable than the second one: - We need to find a way to fix mutations in mitochondria by looking at the telanoma and several teams of scientists are looking at that. - To resurrect a body we just need to insufflate the soul back to the body and several teams of sorcerers are looking at that. And even if my examples are not good enough, this whole thing could be the "detox" fashion that happened a years ago, just on a different level/topic for a different target audience who needs more complicated words in order to be tricked.
- kristofferR 7y agoCharlatans sell stuff. De Grey funds stuff: https://www.sens.org/srf-publications/ https://www.sens.org/srf-publications/ Pretty massive difference.
- nudpiedo 7y agoI think funding doesn't qualify or disqualify him, if funding would give extra credibility points, tomorrow all charlatans of the world would fund something. He also raises big amounts of money and offers no results and that fact alone does imply nothing by itself. P.D. many bluff companies have also lots of publications, papers etc... and that doesn't mean that they are innovative.
- nradov 7y agoSolve those 7 problems and we'll probably find an 8th.