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Its fascinating how America is slowly turning into a country that simply doesn't want foreigners. Sadly I like New York so I have to diligently go through the m

Its fascinating how America is slowly turning into a country that simply doesn't want foreigners. Sadly I like New York so I have to diligently go through the mountain of paperwork. How many people from the EU overstay or cause problems for the police?!

inflatableDodo 7y ago
Brits overstay and work in the US without the correct paperwork all the time. They don't seem to get noticed by the police for some reason.
- Kurtz79 7y ago
  When you enter the country you get a stamp with your entry date. Doesn't this get checked when you leave, at passport control? I would think at the very least it would raise a huge red flag the next time you try to enter US... I also doubt that any serious employer would hire someone without checking his/her paperwork, outside maybe of seasonal/server jobs.
  - inflatableDodo 7y ago
    >When you enter the country you get a stamp with your entry date. >Doesn't this get checked when you leave, at passport control? Imagine that there is this huge underground market dedicated to solving this problem for you attached mysteriously to the entire US bar industry. edit - this is honestly the only thing that makes sense. I haven't ever done so, but brits working their US holidays and massively over staying visas by years is not uncommon and I can only think of one example of someone who ended up in actual shit.
    - Kurtz79 7y ago
      I'm not saying that something like this does not exists (and I know for certain that some people overstay their visas), but it just seems silly to me that people coming from countries with similar quality of life and opportunities as the US would risk getting caught doing something illegal, in a country that is notoriously strict on immigration matters.
      - inflatableDodo 7y ago
        Brits abroad are not commonly stereotyped for their rationality. The USA is basically viewed as a giant theme park.
  - culturestate 7y ago
    The U.S. doesn't have traditional outbound passport control - checks are made electronically when you book a plane ticket and the airlines are given a go/no-go to issue a boarding pass.
    - Kurtz79 7y ago
      I must have entered/exited US about a dozen times in the last few years and I always had my passport checked by someone in uniform just before Security, when leaving. Are these people not from Immigration/Border control?
      - rahimnathwani 7y ago
        Nope, they're from the TSA. Their job is to keep the transportation system safe and secure.
      - malaya_zemlya 7y ago
        This is travel document checking by a TSA agent. They don't technically require you to show a passport, but most other acceptable forms of ID are very US-specific. https://www.tsa.gov/travel/security-screening/identification https://www.tsa.gov/travel/security-screening/identification
- onetimemanytime 7y ago
  China is causing problems for USA. Right or wrong, USA thinks that they are essentially educating their future battle enemy.
  - dmos62 7y ago
    That's an over-generalization. No country is one entity in the context of "what it thinks".
    - onetimemanytime 7y ago
      Well, someone makes that decision. Today is Trump and his advisers (if he listens to anyone :)) and Congress. No polls or votes are taken on things like banning Chinese students or not. Frankly, I don't think we should educate anyone that goes back to a hostile country. China is rising, and that can cause a lot of problems for us, see China Sea for one. https://www.cnbc.com/2019/06/03/china-army-colonel-says-beijing-will-defend-south-china-sea-territory.html https://www.cnbc.com/2019/06/03/china-army-colonel-says-beij...
      - inflatableDodo 7y ago
        >Frankly, I don't think we should educate anyone that goes back to a hostile country. China is rising, and that can cause a lot of problems for us, see China Sea for one. This would be an utterly disasterous policy. The only reason to enact it is if your own side is actively seeking war. And may I note that irrespective of the overall behaviour of the two regimes, in the case of complaining about China causing problems for US interests in the China sea, the China sea is a lot nearer to China than it is to the US.
        onetimemanytime 7y ago
        >>in the case of complaining about China causing problems for US interests in the China sea, the China sea is a lot nearer to China than it is to the US. Trade routes over for one. Freedom of navigation is another reason. What they might go after next time is another concern. Like it or not, USA has interests and allies over there.
- mattmanser 7y ago
  I know a Brit who is banned for life from America for not having a visa when he got searched on a bus. Maybe he had a fake permit or something too, I can't remember. Maybe they're less likely to get searched/caught, but when they are it seems to be enforced. I can't find any stats supporting either position though.
cltsang 7y ago
How did you get that impression? From what the article says America is only getting more conscious about foreigners from China, not foreigners in general. They are quite different. This is hardly a surprising move considering the recent realization that the Chinese government has been pushing propaganda against American values like freedom, democracy, and basic human rights, on American soil. One notable example is confucius institutes [0]. [0]: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2019/01/11/u-s-universities-have-shut-down-confucius-institutes-heres-what-you-need-to-know/?utm_term=.85744a490d5b https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2019/01/1...
- Juliate 7y ago
  > not foreigners in general. By requesting their social network identity, right. That's being conscious. > propaganda against American values like freedom, democracy, and basic human rights, on American soil. Well... someone skipped reading the news for the past 3 years. The best propaganda against these values comes from your very current president and administration.
  - raxxorrax 7y ago
    > Well... someone skipped reading the news for the past 3 years Which didn't do a good job of informing the public. The argument is dishonest, because policies related to surveillance were implemented by all governments of the last decade. On the contrary, this lead to many, many people to say "fuck it", let us just take this madness to the next level and see what happens. Had the current president not won, we would certainly have increased efforts in the war on terror. The US even created a complete new agency for checking travelers. That has been the strategy for both parties for quite some time, at least a decade now.
    - Juliate 7y ago
      I'm not saying it didn't start long ago. Not saying Democrats are clean either - however, in this instance, last time I checked history books, Reagan/Bush & Republicans mostly inherit the chaos they unleashed by their interventions in Middle East in the past 30 years. Had the current president not won... who cares? He _is_ there today. And he _is_ _breaking_ the country that elected him as well as _all the alliances this country built in the past century. The apathy is real.

inflatableDodo 7y ago

Brits overstay and work in the US without the correct paperwork all the time. They don't seem to get noticed by the police for some reason.

Kurtz79 7y ago
When you enter the country you get a stamp with your entry date. Doesn't this get checked when you leave, at passport control? I would think at the very least it would raise a huge red flag the next time you try to enter US... I also doubt that any serious employer would hire someone without checking his/her paperwork, outside maybe of seasonal/server jobs.
- inflatableDodo 7y ago
  >When you enter the country you get a stamp with your entry date. >Doesn't this get checked when you leave, at passport control? Imagine that there is this huge underground market dedicated to solving this problem for you attached mysteriously to the entire US bar industry. edit - this is honestly the only thing that makes sense. I haven't ever done so, but brits working their US holidays and massively over staying visas by years is not uncommon and I can only think of one example of someone who ended up in actual shit.
  - Kurtz79 7y ago
    I'm not saying that something like this does not exists (and I know for certain that some people overstay their visas), but it just seems silly to me that people coming from countries with similar quality of life and opportunities as the US would risk getting caught doing something illegal, in a country that is notoriously strict on immigration matters.
    - inflatableDodo 7y ago
      Brits abroad are not commonly stereotyped for their rationality. The USA is basically viewed as a giant theme park.
- culturestate 7y ago
  The U.S. doesn't have traditional outbound passport control - checks are made electronically when you book a plane ticket and the airlines are given a go/no-go to issue a boarding pass.
  - Kurtz79 7y ago
    I must have entered/exited US about a dozen times in the last few years and I always had my passport checked by someone in uniform just before Security, when leaving. Are these people not from Immigration/Border control?
    - rahimnathwani 7y ago
      Nope, they're from the TSA. Their job is to keep the transportation system safe and secure.
    - malaya_zemlya 7y ago
      This is travel document checking by a TSA agent. They don't technically require you to show a passport, but most other acceptable forms of ID are very US-specific. https://www.tsa.gov/travel/security-screening/identification https://www.tsa.gov/travel/security-screening/identification
onetimemanytime 7y ago
China is causing problems for USA. Right or wrong, USA thinks that they are essentially educating their future battle enemy.
- dmos62 7y ago
  That's an over-generalization. No country is one entity in the context of "what it thinks".
  - onetimemanytime 7y ago
    Well, someone makes that decision. Today is Trump and his advisers (if he listens to anyone :)) and Congress. No polls or votes are taken on things like banning Chinese students or not. Frankly, I don't think we should educate anyone that goes back to a hostile country. China is rising, and that can cause a lot of problems for us, see China Sea for one. https://www.cnbc.com/2019/06/03/china-army-colonel-says-beijing-will-defend-south-china-sea-territory.html https://www.cnbc.com/2019/06/03/china-army-colonel-says-beij...
    - inflatableDodo 7y ago
      >Frankly, I don't think we should educate anyone that goes back to a hostile country. China is rising, and that can cause a lot of problems for us, see China Sea for one. This would be an utterly disasterous policy. The only reason to enact it is if your own side is actively seeking war. And may I note that irrespective of the overall behaviour of the two regimes, in the case of complaining about China causing problems for US interests in the China sea, the China sea is a lot nearer to China than it is to the US.
      - onetimemanytime 7y ago
        >>in the case of complaining about China causing problems for US interests in the China sea, the China sea is a lot nearer to China than it is to the US. Trade routes over for one. Freedom of navigation is another reason. What they might go after next time is another concern. Like it or not, USA has interests and allies over there.
mattmanser 7y ago
I know a Brit who is banned for life from America for not having a visa when he got searched on a bus. Maybe he had a fake permit or something too, I can't remember. Maybe they're less likely to get searched/caught, but when they are it seems to be enforced. I can't find any stats supporting either position though.

cltsang 7y ago

How did you get that impression? From what the article says America is only getting more conscious about foreigners from China, not foreigners in general. They are quite different. This is hardly a surprising move considering the recent realization that the Chinese government has been pushing propaganda against American values like freedom, democracy, and basic human rights, on American soil. One notable example is confucius institutes [0]. [0]: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2019/01/11/u-s-universities-have-shut-down-confucius-institutes-heres-what-you-need-to-know/?utm_term=.85744a490d5b https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2019/01/1...

Juliate 7y ago
> not foreigners in general. By requesting their social network identity, right. That's being conscious. > propaganda against American values like freedom, democracy, and basic human rights, on American soil. Well... someone skipped reading the news for the past 3 years. The best propaganda against these values comes from your very current president and administration.
- raxxorrax 7y ago
  > Well... someone skipped reading the news for the past 3 years Which didn't do a good job of informing the public. The argument is dishonest, because policies related to surveillance were implemented by all governments of the last decade. On the contrary, this lead to many, many people to say "fuck it", let us just take this madness to the next level and see what happens. Had the current president not won, we would certainly have increased efforts in the war on terror. The US even created a complete new agency for checking travelers. That has been the strategy for both parties for quite some time, at least a decade now.
  - Juliate 7y ago
    I'm not saying it didn't start long ago. Not saying Democrats are clean either - however, in this instance, last time I checked history books, Reagan/Bush & Republicans mostly inherit the chaos they unleashed by their interventions in Middle East in the past 30 years. Had the current president not won... who cares? He _is_ there today. And he _is_ _breaking_ the country that elected him as well as _all the alliances this country built in the past century. The apathy is real.