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$5000 for imac pro(+applecare)? that is bonkers. $6000 is even more crazy. You can get more storage, better gpu, more options for network for much less. And yo

$5000 for imac pro(+applecare)? that is bonkers. $6000 is even more crazy. You can get more storage, better gpu, more options for network for much less. And you wont need to deal with apple geniuses to fix the issues.

saagarjha 7y ago
Those alternatives don’t run macOS.
- altmind 7y ago
  These alternatives can run nvidia gpu :)
- cobalt 7y ago
  out of the box maybe
- alexis_fr 7y ago
  Yep. Ubuntu lost by several orders of magnitude. They lost me with Unity, which seemed like something overly fancy which wasn’t required. Had they gone for stability instead of UI, they mighy have kept the users and developed a more suitable alternative to macOS. It really feels like a list battle. I’d pay $200 a year for an OS, especially an open-source one that doesn’t send my data to Amazon.
  - throwaway2048 7y ago
    ubuntu does not send your data to amazon, and has not for years now, the search plugin was pulled almost immediately.
  - chaostheory 7y ago
    If you don't like Ubuntu's GUI, it's baked into Windows 10 now. It's not ideal since you're missing out of the remaining good Mac apps (that aren't electron based) but it's a viable alternative now.
- at-fates-hands 7y ago
  It's funny this just came out when it did. I was just looking at getting an older Mac Pro 5,1 and upgrading all the components in it like a few friends have done. For under $2K you can have a machine that competes with newer machines that cost twice that much. If you're a professional creative type, these machines are the real deal: The Most Powerful Mac Is 6 Years Old and Not Sold By Apple - https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/8xkq8k/mac-pro-upgrade-community https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/8xkq8k/mac-pro-upgrade-co... the Mac Pro 5.1 was designed to accommodate up to 12 cores: “Even though a single core isn’t fast, imagine having 12 of them for video editing and audio—those cores together are faster than my brand-new MacBook,” Mazzarolo said. The new iMac Pro can have up to 18 cores; new MacBook Pros max out at four cores. The 5.1 can take a whopping 128 GB of RAM, which is equal to what a fully upgraded iMac Pro can take and double what Apple says the trash can Mac Pro maxes out at (it’s worth noting that the RAM used in newer Mac computers is usually faster) The 5.1 can be modified to use modern SSDs, which Mazzarolo said are in some cases faster than the ones used in the new iMac Pro The 5.1 can use almost any brand-new graphics card from most manufacturers, which is the main reason why a fully souped-up, old Mac Pro can outperform new computers. “With some rendering engines, the AMD cards that Apple uses [in new Mac Pros] don’t even work,” he said. “In general, even mid-level graphics cards we put in are as fast as those in the iMac Pro. We can put in better cards and we can put in two of those.” On the Facebook group, Mazzarolo posted benchmarks of one of his custom-built rigs playing 5K, 6K and 8K RED RAW video clips against current-model Apple computers. A new, 15-inch MacBook pro and a recent “trash can” Mac Pro weren’t capable of playing the video at more than 8 frames-per-second. His custom-built model was able to get 24 fps in each case.
  - chaostheory 7y ago
    The big issue with older mac pros is for how long is it able to install the latest versions of MacOS?
    - 1over137 7y ago
      macOS 10.15 drops support for the MacPro5,1 (and for no other Macs).
- chaostheory 7y ago
  You can get iCloud on Windows now https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204301 https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204301 It's not a great solution, but I'm not paying over $6000 for a Mac Pro.
  - nihonde 7y ago
    Pro machines for A/V production are routinely $7-10k and have been for as long as I can recall, right back to the 90s. You’re probably just not in the market. These are for commercial buyers who make lots more money from these machines than they spend. Also, six months ago everyone was bellyaching about how Apple has no serious pro devices and was abandoning the desktop. Now it’s too expensive, and my eyes can’t roll back far enough.
    - lghh 7y ago
      Can't both of those things be true?
    - chaostheory 7y ago
      Those machines tend to have way better specs. Apple just isn’t listening. I guess you’re not very familiar with the Mac Pro line. The ones Apple let die in 2012. You know the ones with starting prices at $2000-$3000 adjusted for inflation Apple leadership also deems developers as “pros” as well at least publicly. I don’t know what they were thinking
      - copperx 7y ago
        Makes me wonder. If you're a software engineer at Apple, are you given a $6k Mac Pro and $5k display to program with?
    - qixxy 7y ago
      Arguably, the whole idea of a modular machine is that the base price can be lower, and then you can spend the money on the things that are valuable to you. I've owned the last two Mac Pros. I won't be able to afford this one. But fair enough: in this case it may be that they can't raise the ceiling without raising the floor.
lallysingh 7y ago
Apple is only thinking of video editing for this box.
- core-questions 7y ago
  Well of course, they've done the marketing work and know who has the money to buy it. People complaining about GPUs in this thread are missing the point.
scarface74 7y ago
The LG 5K -- by itself is $1300.
- altmind 7y ago
  4k gaming displays are $800. plus there some bonuses with gaming displays: high refresh rate, freesync.
  - scarface74 7y ago
    These aren’t for gamers....
  - fmj 7y ago
    None of those things really matter to the target audience though. Freesync doesn't have much use when you're working with static images or videos with a fixed frame rate. When you're editing video, you want your refresh rate to equal the frame rate of your video (or a multiple or it) to avoid judder and interpolated frames. A refresh rate higher than your frame rate, but not an even multiple of it, would be worse than running at the same rate as the video. Running it at an even multiple of the frame rate may provide some benefit, but it is marginal. The pros are mainly concerned with color accuracy and gamut, neither of which gaming displays are known for.

saagarjha 7y ago

Those alternatives don’t run macOS.

altmind 7y ago
These alternatives can run nvidia gpu :)
cobalt 7y ago
out of the box maybe
alexis_fr 7y ago
Yep. Ubuntu lost by several orders of magnitude. They lost me with Unity, which seemed like something overly fancy which wasn’t required. Had they gone for stability instead of UI, they mighy have kept the users and developed a more suitable alternative to macOS. It really feels like a list battle. I’d pay $200 a year for an OS, especially an open-source one that doesn’t send my data to Amazon.
- throwaway2048 7y ago
  ubuntu does not send your data to amazon, and has not for years now, the search plugin was pulled almost immediately.
- chaostheory 7y ago
  If you don't like Ubuntu's GUI, it's baked into Windows 10 now. It's not ideal since you're missing out of the remaining good Mac apps (that aren't electron based) but it's a viable alternative now.
at-fates-hands 7y ago
It's funny this just came out when it did. I was just looking at getting an older Mac Pro 5,1 and upgrading all the components in it like a few friends have done. For under $2K you can have a machine that competes with newer machines that cost twice that much. If you're a professional creative type, these machines are the real deal: The Most Powerful Mac Is 6 Years Old and Not Sold By Apple - https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/8xkq8k/mac-pro-upgrade-community https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/8xkq8k/mac-pro-upgrade-co... the Mac Pro 5.1 was designed to accommodate up to 12 cores: “Even though a single core isn’t fast, imagine having 12 of them for video editing and audio—those cores together are faster than my brand-new MacBook,” Mazzarolo said. The new iMac Pro can have up to 18 cores; new MacBook Pros max out at four cores. The 5.1 can take a whopping 128 GB of RAM, which is equal to what a fully upgraded iMac Pro can take and double what Apple says the trash can Mac Pro maxes out at (it’s worth noting that the RAM used in newer Mac computers is usually faster) The 5.1 can be modified to use modern SSDs, which Mazzarolo said are in some cases faster than the ones used in the new iMac Pro The 5.1 can use almost any brand-new graphics card from most manufacturers, which is the main reason why a fully souped-up, old Mac Pro can outperform new computers. “With some rendering engines, the AMD cards that Apple uses [in new Mac Pros] don’t even work,” he said. “In general, even mid-level graphics cards we put in are as fast as those in the iMac Pro. We can put in better cards and we can put in two of those.” On the Facebook group, Mazzarolo posted benchmarks of one of his custom-built rigs playing 5K, 6K and 8K RED RAW video clips against current-model Apple computers. A new, 15-inch MacBook pro and a recent “trash can” Mac Pro weren’t capable of playing the video at more than 8 frames-per-second. His custom-built model was able to get 24 fps in each case.
- chaostheory 7y ago
  The big issue with older mac pros is for how long is it able to install the latest versions of MacOS?
  - 1over137 7y ago
    macOS 10.15 drops support for the MacPro5,1 (and for no other Macs).
chaostheory 7y ago
You can get iCloud on Windows now https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204301 https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204301 It's not a great solution, but I'm not paying over $6000 for a Mac Pro.
- nihonde 7y ago
  Pro machines for A/V production are routinely $7-10k and have been for as long as I can recall, right back to the 90s. You’re probably just not in the market. These are for commercial buyers who make lots more money from these machines than they spend. Also, six months ago everyone was bellyaching about how Apple has no serious pro devices and was abandoning the desktop. Now it’s too expensive, and my eyes can’t roll back far enough.
  - lghh 7y ago
    Can't both of those things be true?
  - chaostheory 7y ago
    Those machines tend to have way better specs. Apple just isn’t listening. I guess you’re not very familiar with the Mac Pro line. The ones Apple let die in 2012. You know the ones with starting prices at $2000-$3000 adjusted for inflation Apple leadership also deems developers as “pros” as well at least publicly. I don’t know what they were thinking
    - copperx 7y ago
      Makes me wonder. If you're a software engineer at Apple, are you given a $6k Mac Pro and $5k display to program with?
  - qixxy 7y ago
    Arguably, the whole idea of a modular machine is that the base price can be lower, and then you can spend the money on the things that are valuable to you. I've owned the last two Mac Pros. I won't be able to afford this one. But fair enough: in this case it may be that they can't raise the ceiling without raising the floor.

lallysingh 7y ago

Apple is only thinking of video editing for this box.

core-questions 7y ago
Well of course, they've done the marketing work and know who has the money to buy it. People complaining about GPUs in this thread are missing the point.

scarface74 7y ago

The LG 5K -- by itself is $1300.

altmind 7y ago
4k gaming displays are $800. plus there some bonuses with gaming displays: high refresh rate, freesync.
- scarface74 7y ago
  These aren’t for gamers....
- fmj 7y ago
  None of those things really matter to the target audience though. Freesync doesn't have much use when you're working with static images or videos with a fixed frame rate. When you're editing video, you want your refresh rate to equal the frame rate of your video (or a multiple or it) to avoid judder and interpolated frames. A refresh rate higher than your frame rate, but not an even multiple of it, would be worse than running at the same rate as the video. Running it at an even multiple of the frame rate may provide some benefit, but it is marginal. The pros are mainly concerned with color accuracy and gamut, neither of which gaming displays are known for.