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There are developers here who make 200-600K per annum. So they can buy these monitors. Of course they can choose not to but it wouldn't be such a big deal for

by geodel 7y ago

There are developers here who make 200-600K per annum. So they can buy these monitors. Of course they can choose not to but it wouldn't be such a big deal for them.

cs02rm0 7y ago
Such a big deal as for..? I am a developer, I make roughly in the middle of that range and I own the business so expensing it is straightforward. It's the value proposition that doesn't stack up from my perspective.
- coldtea 7y ago
  The value proposition is for video and 3D pros, where equivalent accurate monitors can cost tens of thousands. "However, there is a class of users that is currently buying an Eizo monitor for $5,000 to get professional-class image quality, and Apple’s display is so much better that it’s not even close. There are also people who buy Sony reference monitors that cost more than $40,000—and Apple’s display is basically a match for them in terms of quality. By these standards, the Pro Display XDR is either a breakthrough in terms of quality or a staggering breakthrough in terms of price." [1] But if you're a coder and like nice things and money's no issue, then, why not... [1] https://sixcolors.com/ https://sixcolors.com/
mikestew 7y ago
200K-600K doesn't quite yet put one in the category of "I'm know I'm getting bent over a barrel, but I have so much money I don't give a shit that I'm going to have anal tearing in the morning." It's enough to do that for a few things that one finds important, but not everything. If, OTOH, you impulse-buy Ferraris, this might go well on your desk at home.
- toyg 7y ago
  I’s argue the primary device you interact with 8+ hours per day should qualify for “things you might care about”. Together with chair and desk, monitors should be THE priority for any smart developer. (Note this doesn’t mean that this screen is not overpriced. Not all developers need 6k, a 4k screen already renders butter-smooth text at the correct resolution. This screen is for photographers, print professionals and moviemakers, imho.)
  - mikestew 7y ago
    My point is that a developer is spending (give or take) $4K extra for utility they don't need (my argument being that $2K should get a dev all the monitor they'll ever need). A well-paid developer can afford to do that once in a while, but they have to be choosy, maybe spend that $4k of extra utility you don't need toward upgrading the BMW to the "M" version you'll never put to full use on public streets. Buy that Colnago bicycle you'll never be in good enough shape to put to full potential. But blow $6K on a monitor when $2K will do? Nah, you need a multi-million dollar exit for that kind of diamond-crusted iPhone silliness. The rest of us wage-slave devs making only $250K/year make do with 5K monitors that are more than good enough.
    - coldtea 7y ago
      >But blow $6K on a monitor when $2K will do? Nah, you need a multi-million dollar exit for that kind of diamond-crusted iPhone silliness. Err, I know a few people making $200K and up, routinely spending similar money for BS like Leica cameras + lenses (and they're not pro photographers), or hi-fi amplifiers. Not to mention furniture and fine art. There are mid-of-the-market headphones people buy that are $500k -- and those are not even considered expensive. 6K for a great monitor, which could even be the last one you'll ever need to buy is a bargain compared.
  - alfalfasprout 7y ago
    I fall in this camp but I would never drop $6k on a monitor that provides such a marginal benefit over dual 4k monitors with an ultra high end VESA arm for a fraction of the price. It's outrageous.
- coldtea 7y ago
  >It's enough to do that for a few things that one finds important, but not everything Well, something a $200-600K programmer looks at for 8-10 hours per day, I'd call important.
jimbokun 7y ago
They could also afford to take 10 $100 bills and set them on fire, with only slightly less utility than spending the same amount on a monitor stand.
- arthurcolle 7y ago
  The stand attachment seems really nice though. Would've been a steal at around a $499 price point but obviously that isn't Apple's game. Did you not see that it attaches magnetically, and that you can basically rotate it in any direction and also "pull" and "push" it without a lot of physical exertion? It seems pretty interesting. Sure, it's definitely a little pricey, but it isn't just a "stand" in the same way that a plastic DELL monitor is mounted on a "stand."

by geodel 7y ago

There are developers here who make 200-600K per annum. So they can buy these monitors. Of course they can choose not to but it wouldn't be such a big deal for them.

cs02rm0 7y ago

Such a big deal as for..? I am a developer, I make roughly in the middle of that range and I own the business so expensing it is straightforward. It's the value proposition that doesn't stack up from my perspective.

coldtea 7y ago
The value proposition is for video and 3D pros, where equivalent accurate monitors can cost tens of thousands. "However, there is a class of users that is currently buying an Eizo monitor for $5,000 to get professional-class image quality, and Apple’s display is so much better that it’s not even close. There are also people who buy Sony reference monitors that cost more than $40,000—and Apple’s display is basically a match for them in terms of quality. By these standards, the Pro Display XDR is either a breakthrough in terms of quality or a staggering breakthrough in terms of price." [1] But if you're a coder and like nice things and money's no issue, then, why not... [1] https://sixcolors.com/ https://sixcolors.com/

mikestew 7y ago

200K-600K doesn't quite yet put one in the category of "I'm know I'm getting bent over a barrel, but I have so much money I don't give a shit that I'm going to have anal tearing in the morning." It's enough to do that for a few things that one finds important, but not everything. If, OTOH, you impulse-buy Ferraris, this might go well on your desk at home.

toyg 7y ago
I’s argue the primary device you interact with 8+ hours per day should qualify for “things you might care about”. Together with chair and desk, monitors should be THE priority for any smart developer. (Note this doesn’t mean that this screen is not overpriced. Not all developers need 6k, a 4k screen already renders butter-smooth text at the correct resolution. This screen is for photographers, print professionals and moviemakers, imho.)
- mikestew 7y ago
  My point is that a developer is spending (give or take) $4K extra for utility they don't need (my argument being that $2K should get a dev all the monitor they'll ever need). A well-paid developer can afford to do that once in a while, but they have to be choosy, maybe spend that $4k of extra utility you don't need toward upgrading the BMW to the "M" version you'll never put to full use on public streets. Buy that Colnago bicycle you'll never be in good enough shape to put to full potential. But blow $6K on a monitor when $2K will do? Nah, you need a multi-million dollar exit for that kind of diamond-crusted iPhone silliness. The rest of us wage-slave devs making only $250K/year make do with 5K monitors that are more than good enough.
  - coldtea 7y ago
    >But blow $6K on a monitor when $2K will do? Nah, you need a multi-million dollar exit for that kind of diamond-crusted iPhone silliness. Err, I know a few people making $200K and up, routinely spending similar money for BS like Leica cameras + lenses (and they're not pro photographers), or hi-fi amplifiers. Not to mention furniture and fine art. There are mid-of-the-market headphones people buy that are $500k -- and those are not even considered expensive. 6K for a great monitor, which could even be the last one you'll ever need to buy is a bargain compared.
- alfalfasprout 7y ago
  I fall in this camp but I would never drop $6k on a monitor that provides such a marginal benefit over dual 4k monitors with an ultra high end VESA arm for a fraction of the price. It's outrageous.
coldtea 7y ago
>It's enough to do that for a few things that one finds important, but not everything Well, something a $200-600K programmer looks at for 8-10 hours per day, I'd call important.

jimbokun 7y ago

They could also afford to take 10 $100 bills and set them on fire, with only slightly less utility than spending the same amount on a monitor stand.

arthurcolle 7y ago
The stand attachment seems really nice though. Would've been a steal at around a $499 price point but obviously that isn't Apple's game. Did you not see that it attaches magnetically, and that you can basically rotate it in any direction and also "pull" and "push" it without a lot of physical exertion? It seems pretty interesting. Sure, it's definitely a little pricey, but it isn't just a "stand" in the same way that a plastic DELL monitor is mounted on a "stand."