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Somehow I doubt they'll be selling $1000 monitor stands in a few years. I can't quite believe they were saying someone would turn one of the monitors 90 degree

Somehow I doubt they'll be selling $1000 monitor stands in a few years. I can't quite believe they were saying someone would turn one of the monitors 90 degrees to write code. Why anyone would spend $6k on a monitor to write code is beyond me.

thefounder 7y ago
I believe that girl never wrote a line of code. Why would you use a vertical monitor to write code???
- bradlys 7y ago
  More lines viewable at a time. Most places have line length limits and they're well below full screen width. There are people I've worked with who enjoy reading and writing code on a vertical orientation.
  - thefounder 7y ago
    That's something new to me. I though people want more horizontal tabs/columns. Scanning a very "tall" display(like this 32" one) doesn't seem very comfortable to me.
    - lloeki 7y ago
      I loved my single 21:9 LG display. I hated that it was not HiDPI by a long shot.
    - atq2119 7y ago
      The ability to understand code at a macro level improves the more code you are able to see at once, because scanning with your eyes is more efficient than scrolling can ever be. So using a portrait orientation for your monitor does make sense.
    - Simon_says 7y ago
      Maybe you're just not used to it?
- steve_adams_86 7y ago
  I love stacking terminals in a vertical monitor. I usually keep some code in tall columns as well if the project has longer files. It's great when it suits what you're doing, but I had my doubts like you as well.
- V99 7y ago
  There's at least 4 out of ~15 people in our office with one or more vertical monitors. I wouldn't buy a $6,000 monitor for it, but your standard few hundred dollar Dell office monitor pivots for a reason.
- Rebelgecko 7y ago
  my code is almost always taller than it is wide, so a vertical monitor lets me see more at once. I try to avoid having a dozen levels of indentation because IMO it hurts legibility regardless of monitor orientation. Also handy for terminal output and documentation.
- arthurcolle 7y ago
  It is actually really common to have several monitors, at least one of which is vertical in order to have one dedicated "code-reading" screen. When I worked at a large investment bank, most technology people had this set-up, at least in my own experience/recollection. When the monitor is vertical, and you have one file of code that has a few thousand lines, it becomes much more practical to have 1/10th of the code in your view immediately, as opposed to 1/25th and needing to reconstruct the hierarchy of the application's codebase in your immediate mental memory
- deleted 7y ago
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- coldtea 7y ago
  Many programmers do it, including several famous ones (you can find photos online). You view more context (lines of code) at the same time. https://www.google.com/search?q=vertical+monitor+programming&source=lnms&tbm=isch& https://www.google.com/search?q=vertical+monitor+programming...
- toyg 7y ago
  The shape of screens has been traditionally determined by 1) video applications (as video pros were willing to pay premiums, hence setting standards for the market to follow) and 2) the form of keyboards (laptops must be wider than taller). Developers have had to fight this trend by figuring out screen-splitting hacks, whjen their natural workflow is inevitably shaped by Western text, so fundamentally vertical at scale. If you step back, you'll see that vertical layout makes more sense than the horizontal one. (And please don't call grown-up professional women "girls". It makes you look bad.)
geodel 7y ago
There are developers here who make 200-600K per annum. So they can buy these monitors. Of course they can choose not to but it wouldn't be such a big deal for them.
- cs02rm0 7y ago
  Such a big deal as for..? I am a developer, I make roughly in the middle of that range and I own the business so expensing it is straightforward. It's the value proposition that doesn't stack up from my perspective.
  - coldtea 7y ago
    The value proposition is for video and 3D pros, where equivalent accurate monitors can cost tens of thousands. "However, there is a class of users that is currently buying an Eizo monitor for $5,000 to get professional-class image quality, and Apple’s display is so much better that it’s not even close. There are also people who buy Sony reference monitors that cost more than $40,000—and Apple’s display is basically a match for them in terms of quality. By these standards, the Pro Display XDR is either a breakthrough in terms of quality or a staggering breakthrough in terms of price." [1] But if you're a coder and like nice things and money's no issue, then, why not... [1] https://sixcolors.com/ https://sixcolors.com/
- mikestew 7y ago
  200K-600K doesn't quite yet put one in the category of "I'm know I'm getting bent over a barrel, but I have so much money I don't give a shit that I'm going to have anal tearing in the morning." It's enough to do that for a few things that one finds important, but not everything. If, OTOH, you impulse-buy Ferraris, this might go well on your desk at home.
  - toyg 7y ago
    I’s argue the primary device you interact with 8+ hours per day should qualify for “things you might care about”. Together with chair and desk, monitors should be THE priority for any smart developer. (Note this doesn’t mean that this screen is not overpriced. Not all developers need 6k, a 4k screen already renders butter-smooth text at the correct resolution. This screen is for photographers, print professionals and moviemakers, imho.)
acomjean 7y ago
I have a fairly narrow monitor as my second orientated vertically to write code in. I can see more and horizontally it just didn’t work. It’s fairly easy to configure in the Mac and Linux control panels so i doubt I’m unique. Regardless I’m not in the market for a 6k monitor (1$ per k)
- cs02rm0 7y ago
  Totally get that, a $1k 4k monitor vertically gets you a lot of lines of code at a resolution that looks good. I'd have to really care about my syntax highlighting colour accuracy!
coldtea 7y ago
Because they make $100K-$300K per year, they stare at their monitor every day for 8-10 hours or so, and they want to have the best quality? People buy $30K and $50K cars when they could do their job with $15K one just fine. And they put them in the garage most of the time. This is something they'll actually use the hell off...
irrational 7y ago
Are you saying developers don't code in portrait mode? I personally prefer it. I have two monitors side by side, both in portrait mode. The one on the left has the IDE. It is nice being able to see so much code at once without needing to scroll. The monitor on the right has my browser on the bottom half of the screen and what other tools I need on the top half. It is much much better than having two monitors in horizontal mode (which is what I used for years).
- soneil 7y ago
  I read it as “(most) developers will have little need to spend $6000 on a 6k monitor just to code”. It’s not that developers aren’t the target market for a vertical monitor - it’s that they’re not the target market for a $6000 super-duper-dynamic-range 6k monitor.

thefounder 7y ago

I believe that girl never wrote a line of code. Why would you use a vertical monitor to write code???

bradlys 7y ago
More lines viewable at a time. Most places have line length limits and they're well below full screen width. There are people I've worked with who enjoy reading and writing code on a vertical orientation.
- thefounder 7y ago
  That's something new to me. I though people want more horizontal tabs/columns. Scanning a very "tall" display(like this 32" one) doesn't seem very comfortable to me.
  - lloeki 7y ago
    I loved my single 21:9 LG display. I hated that it was not HiDPI by a long shot.
  - atq2119 7y ago
    The ability to understand code at a macro level improves the more code you are able to see at once, because scanning with your eyes is more efficient than scrolling can ever be. So using a portrait orientation for your monitor does make sense.
  - Simon_says 7y ago
    Maybe you're just not used to it?
steve_adams_86 7y ago
I love stacking terminals in a vertical monitor. I usually keep some code in tall columns as well if the project has longer files. It's great when it suits what you're doing, but I had my doubts like you as well.
V99 7y ago
There's at least 4 out of ~15 people in our office with one or more vertical monitors. I wouldn't buy a $6,000 monitor for it, but your standard few hundred dollar Dell office monitor pivots for a reason.
Rebelgecko 7y ago
my code is almost always taller than it is wide, so a vertical monitor lets me see more at once. I try to avoid having a dozen levels of indentation because IMO it hurts legibility regardless of monitor orientation. Also handy for terminal output and documentation.
arthurcolle 7y ago
It is actually really common to have several monitors, at least one of which is vertical in order to have one dedicated "code-reading" screen. When I worked at a large investment bank, most technology people had this set-up, at least in my own experience/recollection. When the monitor is vertical, and you have one file of code that has a few thousand lines, it becomes much more practical to have 1/10th of the code in your view immediately, as opposed to 1/25th and needing to reconstruct the hierarchy of the application's codebase in your immediate mental memory
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coldtea 7y ago
Many programmers do it, including several famous ones (you can find photos online). You view more context (lines of code) at the same time. https://www.google.com/search?q=vertical+monitor+programming&source=lnms&tbm=isch& https://www.google.com/search?q=vertical+monitor+programming...
toyg 7y ago
The shape of screens has been traditionally determined by 1) video applications (as video pros were willing to pay premiums, hence setting standards for the market to follow) and 2) the form of keyboards (laptops must be wider than taller). Developers have had to fight this trend by figuring out screen-splitting hacks, whjen their natural workflow is inevitably shaped by Western text, so fundamentally vertical at scale. If you step back, you'll see that vertical layout makes more sense than the horizontal one. (And please don't call grown-up professional women "girls". It makes you look bad.)

geodel 7y ago

There are developers here who make 200-600K per annum. So they can buy these monitors. Of course they can choose not to but it wouldn't be such a big deal for them.

cs02rm0 7y ago
Such a big deal as for..? I am a developer, I make roughly in the middle of that range and I own the business so expensing it is straightforward. It's the value proposition that doesn't stack up from my perspective.
- coldtea 7y ago
  The value proposition is for video and 3D pros, where equivalent accurate monitors can cost tens of thousands. "However, there is a class of users that is currently buying an Eizo monitor for $5,000 to get professional-class image quality, and Apple’s display is so much better that it’s not even close. There are also people who buy Sony reference monitors that cost more than $40,000—and Apple’s display is basically a match for them in terms of quality. By these standards, the Pro Display XDR is either a breakthrough in terms of quality or a staggering breakthrough in terms of price." [1] But if you're a coder and like nice things and money's no issue, then, why not... [1] https://sixcolors.com/ https://sixcolors.com/
mikestew 7y ago
200K-600K doesn't quite yet put one in the category of "I'm know I'm getting bent over a barrel, but I have so much money I don't give a shit that I'm going to have anal tearing in the morning." It's enough to do that for a few things that one finds important, but not everything. If, OTOH, you impulse-buy Ferraris, this might go well on your desk at home.
- toyg 7y ago
  I’s argue the primary device you interact with 8+ hours per day should qualify for “things you might care about”. Together with chair and desk, monitors should be THE priority for any smart developer. (Note this doesn’t mean that this screen is not overpriced. Not all developers need 6k, a 4k screen already renders butter-smooth text at the correct resolution. This screen is for photographers, print professionals and moviemakers, imho.)

acomjean 7y ago

I have a fairly narrow monitor as my second orientated vertically to write code in. I can see more and horizontally it just didn’t work. It’s fairly easy to configure in the Mac and Linux control panels so i doubt I’m unique. Regardless I’m not in the market for a 6k monitor (1$ per k)

cs02rm0 7y ago
Totally get that, a $1k 4k monitor vertically gets you a lot of lines of code at a resolution that looks good. I'd have to really care about my syntax highlighting colour accuracy!

coldtea 7y ago

Because they make $100K-$300K per year, they stare at their monitor every day for 8-10 hours or so, and they want to have the best quality? People buy $30K and $50K cars when they could do their job with $15K one just fine. And they put them in the garage most of the time. This is something they'll actually use the hell off...

irrational 7y ago

Are you saying developers don't code in portrait mode? I personally prefer it. I have two monitors side by side, both in portrait mode. The one on the left has the IDE. It is nice being able to see so much code at once without needing to scroll. The monitor on the right has my browser on the bottom half of the screen and what other tools I need on the top half. It is much much better than having two monitors in horizontal mode (which is what I used for years).

soneil 7y ago
I read it as “(most) developers will have little need to spend $6000 on a 6k monitor just to code”. It’s not that developers aren’t the target market for a vertical monitor - it’s that they’re not the target market for a $6000 super-duper-dynamic-range 6k monitor.