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The Thirty-Hour Week (1936)

103 points by perfunctory 7y ago

sgt101 7y ago
In the context of sharing jobs in the great depression. There was a shanty town in central park. Bit like now, in SF?
- bdcravens 7y ago
  To be fair, even though HN would have you believe SF is the center of the universe, it's an edge case, in many ways. The Great Depression had a far greater impact than just NYC.
bdcravens 7y ago
What % of the US work force owned personal transportation in 1936?
- SketchySeaBeast 7y ago
  I'm a bit confused - are you saying the debt load has increased because of that transportation? Because I'll be honest with you, next to my mortgage I don't even think about my 10 year old, completely paid off, car.
  - bdcravens 7y ago
    Not addressing debt. Addressing the fact that the work day is far longer when it takes longer to get to work, so a six hour workday comparison from 1936 isn't an apples-to-apples comparison.
    - SketchySeaBeast 7y ago
      Are you talking rural or urban environments? By that point in time the streetcar was popular, and public transportation was plentiful. You used to live near to where you worked - cars enabled us to not live close. I can't find any actual statistics, but given the awareness of our commuting times, I think commutes have gotten worse.
      - bunderbunder 7y ago
        Back before cars, when, if you didn't live in a very dense metropolis, your commute to work was almost certainly done using an open-air conveyance such as horses or feet or donkey carts? Yeah, I can't imagine many people would choose a 45 minute each way commute. Not unless they lived in some magical place where temperatures never drop below 15 degrees and rain only falls on weekends.
        vageli 7y ago
        > Back before cars, when, if you didn't live in a very dense metropolis, your commute to work was almost certainly done using an open-air conveyance such as horses or feet or donkey carts? > Yeah, I can't imagine many people would choose a 45 minute each way commute. Not unless they lived in some magical place where temperatures never drop below 15 degrees and rain only falls on weekends. How many people actively choose their commutes today? I know many people who had moved somewhere for a job, bought a house with their spouse, and subsequently changed jobs. Once you start adding things that can tie you to a place (high-school age children, elderly parents to care for, mortgage, etc) it becomes harder to uproot yourself for the sake of one's commute.
        dahfizz 7y ago
        It's easy to forget how much of an echo chamber HN can be. It seems like everyone here is a single, young, successful city dweller. It's easy to let that totally skew your world view if you don't pay attention to it.
        deleted 7y ago
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        purplezooey 7y ago
        "Some ass takes me to work every day."
warp_factor 7y ago
My theory is that 90% of people don't do more than 20 hours worth of work per week anyways. We just all got used to be very inefficient at what we do.
- lawn 7y ago
  I have recently gone down to work 60%. Yet my output isn't very different from what I used to produce, so your theory seems to match my experience.
  - deleted 7y ago
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  - marvin 7y ago
    How did you manage this? I currently work 80%, but I don't see a super-viable pathway to go down to 60%. You work three days a week or what? (Mostly four days a week in my case, with some additional days taken as holiday).
    - lawn 7y ago
      I work 5 hours per day, with 4 hours on Fridays. We did it so I can work on a side-project (writing a book) and so our boy don't have too long days at kindergarten. We do live in a small village where our cost of living is quite low. I also work remotely and keep a fairly good salary comparatively, so it all works out well.
- ChuckNorris89 7y ago
  I wish we could concentrate our effort at work and be allowed to work less hours for the same pay and output but companies pay for your availability not for your output so never gonna happen.
  - warp_factor 7y ago
    you are exactly right. Fortunately in Tech that seems to change somewhat with homeworking and other "remote" style of working.
Animats 7y ago
We just need to get back down to the 40 hour week. With time and a half for overtime.
- harlanji 7y ago
  My angle is that software developers do not meet the requirements for exempt workers in spirit; namely, creative and self-directed solutions (perhaps distinct from software engineers). Work for a new/rebooted development org could be structured this way. It’d probably look like a deplorable plan on paper to money people.
  - YjSe2GMQ 7y ago
    I'm confused. I simply don't work over 40 hours a week (average), don't want to lower my per-hour salary. Increased compensation for overtime would be the only thing to make me work over 40 hours, I think that's fair. Genuine question: why can't you go home early?
    - Tcepsa 7y ago
      Disclaimer: I'm not a lawyer; everything in this comment is my opinion and/or based on things that I have found on the internet or vaguely remembered from legal notices posted around my workplace. EDIT: Also this is only about things in the USA--I do not know how it works elsewhere. Short answer: You can't go home early because if you don't put in the time your employer requires of you they can fire you! Longer answer: The 40 hour work week is set forth in the Fair Labor Standards Act (FLSA). All that the FLSA says is that depending on what kind of work you do, your employer may or may not be required to compensate you for overtime. Your employer is allowed to set your work hour requirements, but if you are considered "non-exempt" from the FLSA, then if you work more than 40 hours your employer is required to provide time-and-a-half compensation for the extra hours worked. Many positions in tech are, I think, generally "exempt" from the FLSA's overtime rule (software dev types, at least--I'm less sure about ops/IT services folks) and therefore employers are not required by law to compensate software developers for overtime. The FLSA does not address whether or not an employer can require you to work more or less or exactly 40 hours per week; it's all about what obligations they take on if you are non-exempt and they do require you to work more than 40 hours per week.
desireco42 7y ago
I think this, with ability to not commute to work would be ideal work time for knowledge workers.
Circuits 7y ago
Honestly... my company is wasting a lot of money renting out this building for our offices. We could all EASILY be working from home and while I can't say for certain I am fairly confident all of us could get the same amount of work done in half the time. I get 90% of my work done before lunch and the other 10% done the first hour after getting back from lunch... Personally, if they allowed me to work from home, I believe I would get a heck of a lot more done. Currently I know I have to work roughly 40 hours then as soon as the day is over I forget about work. However, if I was simply expected to get the same work done regardless of my hours I would work a few hours every weekend. I would stay up late when a problem interests me... concepts like this seem to evade employers. If I wasn't more productive (pretty sure I would be) I would at least be just as productive and a heck of a lot more comfortable in life.
- dcolkitt 7y ago
  > Personally, if they allowed me to work from home, I would get a heck of a lot more done. I pretty much felt the way you did, until I had kids. Now the problem if I work at home is a toddler who constantly visits the home office with the goal in mind of sitting on dad's lap and watching Peppa Pig on his computer. I know also a lot of people also psychologically feel more motivated and disciplined having a separate place for work outside the home. (Just look at how many college kids go to the library to study.) So, I think even in the fully remote world, you'd still have to have an office like solution for a not insignificant percentage of workers.
  - Circuits 7y ago
    I totally agree. I guess I am just speaking for myself. I can't say the same for the rest of my workmates. However, I always took my college hw straight to my room. Perhaps I am just an edge case... perhaps I should just discuss it with my boss... lol maybe next year.
  - kirrent 7y ago
    You're absolutely right about needing an office like solution for a lot of people, but that doesn't necessarily mean your organisation's office. Co-working spaces allow you to have an office closer to you, often allow fairly flexible pricing based on your specific needs, and you have choice on which office environment you want. I only hope that it becomes more normal for companies to shrink their central offices and subsidise remote employees using those spaces instead.
maerF0x0 7y ago
30 hrs a week was a way to deal with mass unemployment, which the US is not currently facing. https://web.archive.org/web/20130327020843/http://eh.net/encyclopedia/article/whaples.work.hours.us https://web.archive.org/web/20130327020843/http://eh.net/enc...
- tty2300 7y ago
  Only if you get less done. I feel that for a lot of jobs we could work 30 hours and get no less done.
- Jedd 7y ago
  I'd argue that: o it is o it's going to get a lot worse faster than many expect (and most are prepared for) o we need to consider / encourage social rearchitecting globally, not just within each country's borders
sunshinelackof 7y ago
I won't speak for other countries, but in The US leisure and general livability are commodities now, not a part of life. The talk about shorter work weeks feel to me like they're rooted in growing fears that these commodities are pricing out many in the "professionals class." This isn't meant with snark, but it's an uncomfortable conversation for everyone. As we stand today there are plenty of people, fully employed, who don't even have a savings let alone time for leisure. I don't think we working professionals will ever see anything meaningful change in working time until we can have the larger conversation about why we work, why we value it, and who should benefit from it.
- ianai 7y ago
  It’s just another signal about how far the laws and norms have been bent towards business against individuals. Companies are able to pay people with gift cards - that charge fees per transaction and age of balance.
- kaffeeringe 7y ago
  Nothing will simply come. It will come, when you try and get it. Are you in a union?
  - himeexcelanta 7y ago
    I’d offer a (friendly) counter point. Trusting in the benevolence of a union is very similar to trusting in the benevolence of your employer to watch your back. Both employers and unions ultimately devolve into parochialism. Both ultimately are interested in preserving their existing power structures and NOT in helping the worker. I’d say that the best way to “try and get it” is to make your skills valuable enough where you have more work offered than you you have time for in the day. At that point, raise prices!
    - toomuchtodo 7y ago
      "The floggings will continue until morale improves." Unions brought us the weekend and labor rights. Rugged individualism and hustle did not.
herderrr 7y ago
You know it's just really painfully obvious that these are all the ways to perform mental gymnastics so that you don't sound like you're just asking for a raise, or more money, or free money for not working. And while I'm in favor of such things, unfortunately, if I can see right through the ploy, most likely others can too. Like, it's not like we don't all know precisely how ratios work. And if you change one number, without changing the other number, that sort of thing has understandable effects. Working a part time job instead of a full time job, but getting the same amount of money is very obviously an improvement. Part time jobs are usually 30 hours a week or less, as opposed to 40 hours a week. So, you know, if you made $100 for 40 hours of your time, and now you only need to do 30 hours for $100... What if... instead, you chose to put in 40 hours at the new rate anyway? Hey, I know! What if I get paid $100 for 20 hours instead, AND THEN work 40 hours! That's $200! Crowd assembles. Begins chanting. UNIVERSAL BASIC INCOME! UNIVERSAL BASIC INCOME! UNIVERSAL BASIC INCOME! UNIVERSAL BASIC INCOME! UNIVERSAL BASIC INCOME!
nbrempel 7y ago
I love that this topic has been getting attention lately. I’m a huge proponent of the 30 hour week/4 day week. I’ve been working on a job board just for this: https://jobs.30hourjobs.com https://jobs.30hourjobs.com Please let me know what you think!
- souprock 7y ago
  I have verified that yes, 30 hours is acceptable where I work. It's been done, along with 32, and possibly shorter. Most of the benefits are pro-rated, but we'd still cover the health insurance fully. You could still work more and get paid for those extra hours, but the benefits would be according to how many hours you signed up to work. Examples: If you sign up for 30 hours but work 50 hours, you get 75% benefits and 125% pay. If you sign up for 32 hours but work 38 hours, you get 80% benefits and 95% pay. The job post in the "Ask HN: Who is hiring? (June 2019)" item today: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20088647 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20088647
  - nbrempel 7y ago
    Hey souprock, thanks for sharing! Please do post that job on the above linked job board (it's free)! It should get you at least a few good eyeballs and the community of people who care about the thirty hour week will appreciate it as well.
zw123456 7y ago
Where I work I get 6 weeks of vacation and 10 floating holidays. It's actually pretty difficult to use up that much vacation if you try to take it in big chunks, and I am sort of averse to travel (because a former job I had required so much that now I am sick of it even for personal "fun"). So now I take almost every Friday off or Monday. If you work it out with holidays you basically work 4 days a week. Since I have been doing this for several years now I have found that I am actually a lot more productive than when I work 5 days a week and take several weeks in a row off. For me, the 4 day work week makes me happier and I get more done.
- YUMad 7y ago
  Why did you go with Mon/Fri instead of Wednesday?
  - hnzix 7y ago
    Everyone goes on about Wednesdays but I honestly find Monday the absolute best day to take off. If you are working on personal projects, it gives you three full days to spin up to top speed. Fridays just feel like the weekend started a bit early (due to the rhythm of office life I think), and Wednesdays doesn't give you the same runway for personal projects.
- bitcoinmoney 7y ago
  Can you give idea hwere this is? And salary range?
- 1PlayerOne 7y ago
  Let me guess, you travelled for a management consulting job? Or something similar... I work for a big 4 MC corp and now prefer to stay home. Plane travel makes me ill at ease.
letsAllEatShit 7y ago
So, bump minimum wage to $15 an hour but now drop the work week to 30 hours...
RaceWon 7y ago
A lifetime ago (1978) when I got into the Plumbers Union, (as I was teaching myself to be a racer, and future world champion; before I realized I could not learn a new racetrack, and get into a rhythm in 8 laps like say a Senna could--which really was why I walked away from that), we worked 35 Hour weeks. 8am-3:30pm: Plus we had two breaks; morning coffee and a soda at 2pm, and we also usually took 45 minutes for lunch, instead of the unpaid 30 minutes the contract stipulated. Oh and the Electricians--shit they really lived large: they would barbeque every Friday... and Inside the building in the winter. They could give a fuck less if the job super didn't want then too. The work got done, and I have to tell you there was no substitute for Union Trades; the apprenticeship programs were second to none and guys gave a shit about the product they produced.
- westmeal 7y ago
  I don't think anybody can drive like Senna could. Do you still race from time to time?

103 points by perfunctory 7y ago

sgt101 7y ago

In the context of sharing jobs in the great depression. There was a shanty town in central park. Bit like now, in SF?

bdcravens 7y ago
To be fair, even though HN would have you believe SF is the center of the universe, it's an edge case, in many ways. The Great Depression had a far greater impact than just NYC.

bdcravens 7y ago

What % of the US work force owned personal transportation in 1936?

SketchySeaBeast 7y ago
I'm a bit confused - are you saying the debt load has increased because of that transportation? Because I'll be honest with you, next to my mortgage I don't even think about my 10 year old, completely paid off, car.
- bdcravens 7y ago
  Not addressing debt. Addressing the fact that the work day is far longer when it takes longer to get to work, so a six hour workday comparison from 1936 isn't an apples-to-apples comparison.
  - SketchySeaBeast 7y ago
    Are you talking rural or urban environments? By that point in time the streetcar was popular, and public transportation was plentiful. You used to live near to where you worked - cars enabled us to not live close. I can't find any actual statistics, but given the awareness of our commuting times, I think commutes have gotten worse.
    - bunderbunder 7y ago
      Back before cars, when, if you didn't live in a very dense metropolis, your commute to work was almost certainly done using an open-air conveyance such as horses or feet or donkey carts? Yeah, I can't imagine many people would choose a 45 minute each way commute. Not unless they lived in some magical place where temperatures never drop below 15 degrees and rain only falls on weekends.
      - vageli 7y ago
        > Back before cars, when, if you didn't live in a very dense metropolis, your commute to work was almost certainly done using an open-air conveyance such as horses or feet or donkey carts? > Yeah, I can't imagine many people would choose a 45 minute each way commute. Not unless they lived in some magical place where temperatures never drop below 15 degrees and rain only falls on weekends. How many people actively choose their commutes today? I know many people who had moved somewhere for a job, bought a house with their spouse, and subsequently changed jobs. Once you start adding things that can tie you to a place (high-school age children, elderly parents to care for, mortgage, etc) it becomes harder to uproot yourself for the sake of one's commute.
        dahfizz 7y ago
        It's easy to forget how much of an echo chamber HN can be. It seems like everyone here is a single, young, successful city dweller. It's easy to let that totally skew your world view if you don't pay attention to it.
        deleted 7y ago
        [deleted]
      - purplezooey 7y ago
        "Some ass takes me to work every day."

warp_factor 7y ago

My theory is that 90% of people don't do more than 20 hours worth of work per week anyways. We just all got used to be very inefficient at what we do.

lawn 7y ago
I have recently gone down to work 60%. Yet my output isn't very different from what I used to produce, so your theory seems to match my experience.
- deleted 7y ago
  [deleted]
- marvin 7y ago
  How did you manage this? I currently work 80%, but I don't see a super-viable pathway to go down to 60%. You work three days a week or what? (Mostly four days a week in my case, with some additional days taken as holiday).
  - lawn 7y ago
    I work 5 hours per day, with 4 hours on Fridays. We did it so I can work on a side-project (writing a book) and so our boy don't have too long days at kindergarten. We do live in a small village where our cost of living is quite low. I also work remotely and keep a fairly good salary comparatively, so it all works out well.
ChuckNorris89 7y ago
I wish we could concentrate our effort at work and be allowed to work less hours for the same pay and output but companies pay for your availability not for your output so never gonna happen.
- warp_factor 7y ago
  you are exactly right. Fortunately in Tech that seems to change somewhat with homeworking and other "remote" style of working.

Animats 7y ago

We just need to get back down to the 40 hour week. With time and a half for overtime.

harlanji 7y ago
My angle is that software developers do not meet the requirements for exempt workers in spirit; namely, creative and self-directed solutions (perhaps distinct from software engineers). Work for a new/rebooted development org could be structured this way. It’d probably look like a deplorable plan on paper to money people.
- YjSe2GMQ 7y ago
  I'm confused. I simply don't work over 40 hours a week (average), don't want to lower my per-hour salary. Increased compensation for overtime would be the only thing to make me work over 40 hours, I think that's fair. Genuine question: why can't you go home early?
  - Tcepsa 7y ago
    Disclaimer: I'm not a lawyer; everything in this comment is my opinion and/or based on things that I have found on the internet or vaguely remembered from legal notices posted around my workplace. EDIT: Also this is only about things in the USA--I do not know how it works elsewhere. Short answer: You can't go home early because if you don't put in the time your employer requires of you they can fire you! Longer answer: The 40 hour work week is set forth in the Fair Labor Standards Act (FLSA). All that the FLSA says is that depending on what kind of work you do, your employer may or may not be required to compensate you for overtime. Your employer is allowed to set your work hour requirements, but if you are considered "non-exempt" from the FLSA, then if you work more than 40 hours your employer is required to provide time-and-a-half compensation for the extra hours worked. Many positions in tech are, I think, generally "exempt" from the FLSA's overtime rule (software dev types, at least--I'm less sure about ops/IT services folks) and therefore employers are not required by law to compensate software developers for overtime. The FLSA does not address whether or not an employer can require you to work more or less or exactly 40 hours per week; it's all about what obligations they take on if you are non-exempt and they do require you to work more than 40 hours per week.

desireco42 7y ago

I think this, with ability to not commute to work would be ideal work time for knowledge workers.

Circuits 7y ago

Honestly... my company is wasting a lot of money renting out this building for our offices. We could all EASILY be working from home and while I can't say for certain I am fairly confident all of us could get the same amount of work done in half the time. I get 90% of my work done before lunch and the other 10% done the first hour after getting back from lunch... Personally, if they allowed me to work from home, I believe I would get a heck of a lot more done. Currently I know I have to work roughly 40 hours then as soon as the day is over I forget about work. However, if I was simply expected to get the same work done regardless of my hours I would work a few hours every weekend. I would stay up late when a problem interests me... concepts like this seem to evade employers. If I wasn't more productive (pretty sure I would be) I would at least be just as productive and a heck of a lot more comfortable in life.

dcolkitt 7y ago
> Personally, if they allowed me to work from home, I would get a heck of a lot more done. I pretty much felt the way you did, until I had kids. Now the problem if I work at home is a toddler who constantly visits the home office with the goal in mind of sitting on dad's lap and watching Peppa Pig on his computer. I know also a lot of people also psychologically feel more motivated and disciplined having a separate place for work outside the home. (Just look at how many college kids go to the library to study.) So, I think even in the fully remote world, you'd still have to have an office like solution for a not insignificant percentage of workers.
- Circuits 7y ago
  I totally agree. I guess I am just speaking for myself. I can't say the same for the rest of my workmates. However, I always took my college hw straight to my room. Perhaps I am just an edge case... perhaps I should just discuss it with my boss... lol maybe next year.
- kirrent 7y ago
  You're absolutely right about needing an office like solution for a lot of people, but that doesn't necessarily mean your organisation's office. Co-working spaces allow you to have an office closer to you, often allow fairly flexible pricing based on your specific needs, and you have choice on which office environment you want. I only hope that it becomes more normal for companies to shrink their central offices and subsidise remote employees using those spaces instead.

maerF0x0 7y ago

30 hrs a week was a way to deal with mass unemployment, which the US is not currently facing. https://web.archive.org/web/20130327020843/http://eh.net/encyclopedia/article/whaples.work.hours.us https://web.archive.org/web/20130327020843/http://eh.net/enc...

tty2300 7y ago
Only if you get less done. I feel that for a lot of jobs we could work 30 hours and get no less done.
Jedd 7y ago
I'd argue that: o it is o it's going to get a lot worse faster than many expect (and most are prepared for) o we need to consider / encourage social rearchitecting globally, not just within each country's borders

sunshinelackof 7y ago

I won't speak for other countries, but in The US leisure and general livability are commodities now, not a part of life. The talk about shorter work weeks feel to me like they're rooted in growing fears that these commodities are pricing out many in the "professionals class." This isn't meant with snark, but it's an uncomfortable conversation for everyone. As we stand today there are plenty of people, fully employed, who don't even have a savings let alone time for leisure. I don't think we working professionals will ever see anything meaningful change in working time until we can have the larger conversation about why we work, why we value it, and who should benefit from it.

ianai 7y ago
It’s just another signal about how far the laws and norms have been bent towards business against individuals. Companies are able to pay people with gift cards - that charge fees per transaction and age of balance.
kaffeeringe 7y ago
Nothing will simply come. It will come, when you try and get it. Are you in a union?
- himeexcelanta 7y ago
  I’d offer a (friendly) counter point. Trusting in the benevolence of a union is very similar to trusting in the benevolence of your employer to watch your back. Both employers and unions ultimately devolve into parochialism. Both ultimately are interested in preserving their existing power structures and NOT in helping the worker. I’d say that the best way to “try and get it” is to make your skills valuable enough where you have more work offered than you you have time for in the day. At that point, raise prices!
  - toomuchtodo 7y ago
    "The floggings will continue until morale improves." Unions brought us the weekend and labor rights. Rugged individualism and hustle did not.

herderrr 7y ago

You know it's just really painfully obvious that these are all the ways to perform mental gymnastics so that you don't sound like you're just asking for a raise, or more money, or free money for not working. And while I'm in favor of such things, unfortunately, if I can see right through the ploy, most likely others can too. Like, it's not like we don't all know precisely how ratios work. And if you change one number, without changing the other number, that sort of thing has understandable effects. Working a part time job instead of a full time job, but getting the same amount of money is very obviously an improvement. Part time jobs are usually 30 hours a week or less, as opposed to 40 hours a week. So, you know, if you made $100 for 40 hours of your time, and now you only need to do 30 hours for $100... What if... instead, you chose to put in 40 hours at the new rate anyway? Hey, I know! What if I get paid $100 for 20 hours instead, AND THEN work 40 hours! That's $200! Crowd assembles. Begins chanting. UNIVERSAL BASIC INCOME! UNIVERSAL BASIC INCOME! UNIVERSAL BASIC INCOME! UNIVERSAL BASIC INCOME! UNIVERSAL BASIC INCOME!

nbrempel 7y ago

I love that this topic has been getting attention lately. I’m a huge proponent of the 30 hour week/4 day week. I’ve been working on a job board just for this: https://jobs.30hourjobs.com https://jobs.30hourjobs.com Please let me know what you think!

souprock 7y ago
I have verified that yes, 30 hours is acceptable where I work. It's been done, along with 32, and possibly shorter. Most of the benefits are pro-rated, but we'd still cover the health insurance fully. You could still work more and get paid for those extra hours, but the benefits would be according to how many hours you signed up to work. Examples: If you sign up for 30 hours but work 50 hours, you get 75% benefits and 125% pay. If you sign up for 32 hours but work 38 hours, you get 80% benefits and 95% pay. The job post in the "Ask HN: Who is hiring? (June 2019)" item today: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20088647 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20088647
- nbrempel 7y ago
  Hey souprock, thanks for sharing! Please do post that job on the above linked job board (it's free)! It should get you at least a few good eyeballs and the community of people who care about the thirty hour week will appreciate it as well.

zw123456 7y ago

Where I work I get 6 weeks of vacation and 10 floating holidays. It's actually pretty difficult to use up that much vacation if you try to take it in big chunks, and I am sort of averse to travel (because a former job I had required so much that now I am sick of it even for personal "fun"). So now I take almost every Friday off or Monday. If you work it out with holidays you basically work 4 days a week. Since I have been doing this for several years now I have found that I am actually a lot more productive than when I work 5 days a week and take several weeks in a row off. For me, the 4 day work week makes me happier and I get more done.

YUMad 7y ago
Why did you go with Mon/Fri instead of Wednesday?
- hnzix 7y ago
  Everyone goes on about Wednesdays but I honestly find Monday the absolute best day to take off. If you are working on personal projects, it gives you three full days to spin up to top speed. Fridays just feel like the weekend started a bit early (due to the rhythm of office life I think), and Wednesdays doesn't give you the same runway for personal projects.
bitcoinmoney 7y ago
Can you give idea hwere this is? And salary range?
1PlayerOne 7y ago
Let me guess, you travelled for a management consulting job? Or something similar... I work for a big 4 MC corp and now prefer to stay home. Plane travel makes me ill at ease.

letsAllEatShit 7y ago

So, bump minimum wage to $15 an hour but now drop the work week to 30 hours...

RaceWon 7y ago

A lifetime ago (1978) when I got into the Plumbers Union, (as I was teaching myself to be a racer, and future world champion; before I realized I could not learn a new racetrack, and get into a rhythm in 8 laps like say a Senna could--which really was why I walked away from that), we worked 35 Hour weeks. 8am-3:30pm: Plus we had two breaks; morning coffee and a soda at 2pm, and we also usually took 45 minutes for lunch, instead of the unpaid 30 minutes the contract stipulated. Oh and the Electricians--shit they really lived large: they would barbeque every Friday... and Inside the building in the winter. They could give a fuck less if the job super didn't want then too. The work got done, and I have to tell you there was no substitute for Union Trades; the apprenticeship programs were second to none and guys gave a shit about the product they produced.

westmeal 7y ago
I don't think anybody can drive like Senna could. Do you still race from time to time?