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And that, in a nutshell, is why I don't really want to buy an eReader. They just seem too restrictive. My girlfriend and I occasionally share books (usually sh

And that, in a nutshell, is why I don't really want to buy an eReader. They just seem too restrictive. My girlfriend and I occasionally share books (usually she borrows mine), but my understanding is that the books you "buy" are licensed only to a single device, and you can only share a book one time, and even then only if the publisher allows it. I could be misunderstanding things, but it seems like if she wanted to borrow one of my books, she would probably need to borrow my Kindle to do it, and essentially borrow all of my books to read one. Until things get sorted out, I think I'll pass on the eReaders.

rbanffy 16y ago
> And that, in a nutshell, is why I don't really want to buy an eReader. They just seem too restrictive. You don't have to deprive yourself of e-readers. I am completely happy with O'Reilly's and Pragmatic's policy (no DRM, multi-format). I am a little less happy with Manning, who makes it clear my book is only available for download for the 5 days following purchase. All of them offer DRM-free PDF as a minimum. I am so far very happy with my Nook (B&W e-paper version). And there is also Feddbooks, which is conveniently linked from Stanza (I have it on my iPod) Oh. And after the 1984 episode, it would be hard to convince me to buy a Kindle.
- AgentConundrum 16y ago
  I am completely happy with O'Reilly's and Pragmatic's policy I don't really need an eReader for programming books. Most of the time I'm better off reading those at the computer where I can play with the code in them. For that, I can just buy the PDF and read it in Foxit. I'd want an eReader more for fiction, and fiction definitely still prefers DRM over non-DRM.
  - Tyrannosaurs 16y ago
    Other than the ability to carry a large library around with you the Kindle is pretty sucky for Programming books - the screen is too small and the formatting too limited.
    - rbanffy 16y ago
      The search, however, is unmatched by physical books.
    - tom_b 16y ago
      It's carrying the large library around that appeals most to me. I'm attempting to solve the space issues around having many tech books around. So far, I find the Pragmatic and O'Reilly ebooks to be pretty nice on Kindle. Code examples don't always look super. But I sometimes landscape the view (especially on pdfs) and it's much better. But I also tend to read and hack separately anymore these days - reading to drink the bigger picture, then hack and use Google as my language reference . . .
    - igorlev 16y ago
      The Kindle DX, on the other hand, has become indispensable to me for reading all kinds of technical books and pdfs. Along with the daily E-book deals from O'Reilly it has almost completely eliminated the need to buy paper technical books. I think a good market for this is in areas with long, public transportation commutes. Those who take the car to work have fewer good use cases for e-readers.
- jluxenberg 16y ago
  a little less happy with Manning, who makes it clear my book is only available for download for the 5 days following purchase You expect them to provide you with the ability to download the book any time you want, but you don't want them to ask you to pay a license fee. Sounds like you'd like the benefits of a license (someone else handles storing the media) without the tradeoff (someone else has control of the media). Doesn't seem fair to the publisher.
  - Dylan16807 16y ago
    Supplying downloads is an easy-to-supply convenience, and it's a lot simpler to lose a digital file than a physical book. As a minor service comparison I can go to the store and get free adjustments for my glasses forever, but it's still a goods purchase.
    - ptomato 16y ago
      But if you lose them they won't replace them for free.
Tyrannosaurs 16y ago
> My understanding is that the books you "buy" are licensed only to a single device Amazon allows you to read a book on up to six Kindles (or Kindle compatible devices such as iPhones / iPads). It can be a bit fiddly (the easiest thing would be for you and your girlfriend to share a single account) but it's doable.
rmc 16y ago
You could get an eReader for the hardware and then pirate books? No DRM. You would probably get a better customer experience.
- callahad 16y ago
  There's plenty of awesome, legal, and free content out there, too: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1649855 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1649855
- stevenbedrick 16y ago
  Or, get an eReader and strip the DRM from the books you do buy. Depending on where you live, this may or may not be legal, but it's absolutely an option.
  - rmc 16y ago
    I believe it's possible to do this with the Kindle DRM books with the Kindle application. I would not do it, since I don't want to financially help anyone who sells DRM. I would like to see a DRM-free world. That's not going to happen if I pay for it.
w1ntermute 16y ago
> And that, in a nutshell, is why I don't really want to buy an eReader. They just seem too restrictive. It does depend on your reading interests, but one big difference between books and audiovisual content is that there is an enormous selection of books that are out of copyright. If you like to read those, you can obtain them for free and without DRM from sites like Project Gutenberg. > Until things get sorted out, I think I'll pass on the eReaders. It's never going to get "sorted out". From the perspective of the retailers, this is a good thing. It allows them to make more money. Why would they ever change their policies?
jsolson 16y ago
I solve this problem by keeping an archive of and stripping the DRM from every eBook I purchase. My weapon of choice is Calibre with the Kindle PID extensions. My Kindle is still content to read all of the titles I've stripped, although usually I stick to the DRM'd versions on-device to allow Whispersync between that and my iPhone.

rbanffy 16y ago

> And that, in a nutshell, is why I don't really want to buy an eReader. They just seem too restrictive. You don't have to deprive yourself of e-readers. I am completely happy with O'Reilly's and Pragmatic's policy (no DRM, multi-format). I am a little less happy with Manning, who makes it clear my book is only available for download for the 5 days following purchase. All of them offer DRM-free PDF as a minimum. I am so far very happy with my Nook (B&W e-paper version). And there is also Feddbooks, which is conveniently linked from Stanza (I have it on my iPod) Oh. And after the 1984 episode, it would be hard to convince me to buy a Kindle.

AgentConundrum 16y ago
I am completely happy with O'Reilly's and Pragmatic's policy I don't really need an eReader for programming books. Most of the time I'm better off reading those at the computer where I can play with the code in them. For that, I can just buy the PDF and read it in Foxit. I'd want an eReader more for fiction, and fiction definitely still prefers DRM over non-DRM.
- Tyrannosaurs 16y ago
  Other than the ability to carry a large library around with you the Kindle is pretty sucky for Programming books - the screen is too small and the formatting too limited.
  - rbanffy 16y ago
    The search, however, is unmatched by physical books.
  - tom_b 16y ago
    It's carrying the large library around that appeals most to me. I'm attempting to solve the space issues around having many tech books around. So far, I find the Pragmatic and O'Reilly ebooks to be pretty nice on Kindle. Code examples don't always look super. But I sometimes landscape the view (especially on pdfs) and it's much better. But I also tend to read and hack separately anymore these days - reading to drink the bigger picture, then hack and use Google as my language reference . . .
  - igorlev 16y ago
    The Kindle DX, on the other hand, has become indispensable to me for reading all kinds of technical books and pdfs. Along with the daily E-book deals from O'Reilly it has almost completely eliminated the need to buy paper technical books. I think a good market for this is in areas with long, public transportation commutes. Those who take the car to work have fewer good use cases for e-readers.
jluxenberg 16y ago
a little less happy with Manning, who makes it clear my book is only available for download for the 5 days following purchase You expect them to provide you with the ability to download the book any time you want, but you don't want them to ask you to pay a license fee. Sounds like you'd like the benefits of a license (someone else handles storing the media) without the tradeoff (someone else has control of the media). Doesn't seem fair to the publisher.
- Dylan16807 16y ago
  Supplying downloads is an easy-to-supply convenience, and it's a lot simpler to lose a digital file than a physical book. As a minor service comparison I can go to the store and get free adjustments for my glasses forever, but it's still a goods purchase.
  - ptomato 16y ago
    But if you lose them they won't replace them for free.

Tyrannosaurs 16y ago

> My understanding is that the books you "buy" are licensed only to a single device Amazon allows you to read a book on up to six Kindles (or Kindle compatible devices such as iPhones / iPads). It can be a bit fiddly (the easiest thing would be for you and your girlfriend to share a single account) but it's doable.

rmc 16y ago

You could get an eReader for the hardware and then pirate books? No DRM. You would probably get a better customer experience.

callahad 16y ago
There's plenty of awesome, legal, and free content out there, too: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1649855 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1649855
stevenbedrick 16y ago
Or, get an eReader and strip the DRM from the books you do buy. Depending on where you live, this may or may not be legal, but it's absolutely an option.
- rmc 16y ago
  I believe it's possible to do this with the Kindle DRM books with the Kindle application. I would not do it, since I don't want to financially help anyone who sells DRM. I would like to see a DRM-free world. That's not going to happen if I pay for it.

w1ntermute 16y ago

> And that, in a nutshell, is why I don't really want to buy an eReader. They just seem too restrictive. It does depend on your reading interests, but one big difference between books and audiovisual content is that there is an enormous selection of books that are out of copyright. If you like to read those, you can obtain them for free and without DRM from sites like Project Gutenberg. > Until things get sorted out, I think I'll pass on the eReaders. It's never going to get "sorted out". From the perspective of the retailers, this is a good thing. It allows them to make more money. Why would they ever change their policies?

jsolson 16y ago

I solve this problem by keeping an archive of and stripping the DRM from every eBook I purchase. My weapon of choice is Calibre with the Kindle PID extensions. My Kindle is still content to read all of the titles I've stripped, although usually I stick to the DRM'd versions on-device to allow Whispersync between that and my iPhone.