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In dry climates with such hot temperatures, staying hydrated and sweating will keep you cool (or rather, keep you cool enough to not die). What happens when te
by fiblye 7y ago
In dry climates with such hot temperatures, staying hydrated and sweating will keep you cool (or rather, keep you cool enough to not die).
What happens when temperatures like these are reached in high humidity zones where sweat just sticks? Will we simply have entire communities that lack air conditioning dying off?
- Tepix 7y agoThey will turn into refugees. That's part of why we expect hundreds of millions of climate refugees in the coming decades.
- noir_lord 7y agoYep I think mass migration is inevitable. Given the absolute mess migration was out of Syria into Europe (and that was comparatively minor) I think it's going to be unpleasant. Once it starts it'll snowball as well instead of an orderly evacuation it'll be pell-mell. Sometimes think it would be nice to have a single rational world government so that we could deal with these things on a species level. Of course if we had a single rational world government for any length of time we wouldn't be in this mess.
- cheez 7y ago> Of course if we had a single rational world government for any length of time we wouldn't be in this mess. No, you would be in another mess.
- Filligree 7y agoThat other mess might be preferable. I'd say this will get bad, but that wouldn't cover it. We might well see gigadeath.
- cheez 7y agoTake the way the US is run and make it global. Alternatively, take the way North Korea is run and make it global. This is the only way it could work. As a third alternative, take the way the EU is run, and make it global. What are the problems? There is way too much diversity for a single entity to handle the various aspects.
- gingabriska 7y agoCan anyone guess where will the first wave of climate change refugees will be from and where they'll be heading too?
- noir_lord 7y agoThat's actually an interesting question. Gut response is wherever is currently the hottest but that may not be the case since there are a bunch of factors that will effect it. Good report on it here. https://www.worldbank.org/en/news/infographic/2018/03/19/groundswell---preparing-for-internal-climate-migration https://www.worldbank.org/en/news/infographic/2018/03/19/gro... Direct Link: https://openknowledge.worldbank.org/bitstream/handle/10986/29461/WBG_ClimateChange_Final.pdf https://openknowledge.worldbank.org/bitstream/handle/10986/2... (PDF)
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- yardie 7y agoLow lying islands like the Maldives will be first. But the population is relatively small. You already have climate refugees in Africa. The Sahara is spreading south. Destroying lives of those that live on the subsaharan border. They flee to neighbouring countries and eventually Europe. The major concern is countries like Bangladesh. It’s a low coastal country with a huge population.
- hedora 7y agoClimate change refugees are already common. For instance, climate change played some role in the current Venezuelan refugee crisis (the one that has Trump separating families and housing people in camps under overpasses, or bussing them to sanctuary cities). Today, the main problem is that their government started to collapse in 2017, so they are unable to supply food to their population. Why did the government start to collapse? Well, they have seen lower crop yields in recent years, which means more food imports, which means they are more vulnerable to embargoes, etc. It only has data to 2016, but this site shows across the board agricultural production collapses in 2015 and 2016. https://www.ceicdata.com/en/venezuela/agricultural-production-and-consumption https://www.ceicdata.com/en/venezuela/agricultural-productio... The government went into disarray in 2017. In 2018 (and maybe earlier; tldr) US sanctions cut off oil revenue. The sanctions are due to terrorism, corruption, human trafficking, and human rights violations, which are, again symptoms of a collapsing government: https://fas.org/sgp/crs/row/IF10715.pdf https://fas.org/sgp/crs/row/IF10715.pdf You may also remember tortilla riots a few years back when the price of corn spiked. That probably led to some migration. Arguably, and famines that led to refugees in the last 10-20 years are due to climate change. The issue is that we’re at a tipping point where they will become more common.
- pferde 7y agoI fully agree with you, but thought that the words "out of Syria" are not really reflecting reality. According to Wikipedia[1], only about a third of the migrants originated in Syria. 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_migrant_crisis#Statistics https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_migrant_crisis#Statis...
- noir_lord 7y agoThat's true but it is referred to colloquially as "The Syrian Crisis" here, in any case I don't what the solution is, I deeply admire the Germans for what they did though. Taking 1.5 million migrants with a population of 82 million, if the UK (my country) had done the same ratio that would have been 1.2 million, best figure I can find for UK is <20 thousand. One thing I do wonder is what western culture will look like in a hundred years if the world bank figures are right (140-200 million displaced people).
- stevezsa8 7y agoCulture evolves/changes over time. So it's a valid question as long as it's not a veiled "will there be too many brown people".
- noir_lord 7y agoCouldn't care less one way or the other about how many brown people there are in Europe, I'm curious if western culture will be significantly altered one way or the other though - there are elements of it I like and would hope would promulgate into the future is all. It's interesting that you can't really broach it as a question though without it been implied that racism is involved, if you can't debate a subject without been accused of racism then you leave all debate of that subject to racists since they may not care about been accused of racism. Too many people use race as a placeholder for culture and vice versa (same with religion). Honestly things would be better if both sides would stop hurling slurs at each other and actually debate the issues but I figure it serves them to have this kind of fight as it gains both sides followers. I'm seeing more and more of that kind of balkanization in the UK and it's worrying, Brexit has opened some pretty nasty wounds that may not heal in my lifetime.
- inflatableDodo 7y agoBeen telling people for a while, if we think the amount of refugees from our wars is bad, just wait till you see the number arriving due to the fuel we burn. Though given our reaction to the current wave of refugees, we will blame the refugees for their own predicament and probably George Soros, as is tradition, long before we accept any blame ourselves.
- kabwj 7y agoOr we will simply not accept the refugees. As you said at current numbers it’s been really bad. At much higher numbers it will simply be a better and more popular option to close the border.
- inflatableDodo 7y agoAt current numbers, the effect on our own society from our own reaction has cause much more damage to ourselves than the effects from the refugees themselves. I suspect you may be right that the popular option will be to close the border. I do not agree however, that it is the better option.
- kabwj 7y agoIt’s caused a divide because the number of current economic refugees is relatively small. Thus many people thought it was possible to have them stay in the first world. Hence the divide in public opinion. But I believe that if the estimates are right, the number of climate refugees will be so high that people will more or less agree that it’s better to close the border in that situation.
- inflatableDodo 7y ago>the number of current economic refugees is relatively small Interesting way to describe people fleeing war.
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- Eric_WVGG 7y agoThe wall our president wants to build has nothing to do with current immigration trends. They’re banking on this future. Steve Bannon has this book he’s always talking about, The Camp of the Saints. It’s the clearest and most concise guide for how they see the climate future rolling out. (This is also why I bristle when they get called climate change deniers. They’re not, they just reached different conclusions.) https://observer.com/2018/05/the-insanity-of-alt-right-bannon-approved-the-camp-of-the-saints/ https://observer.com/2018/05/the-insanity-of-alt-right-banno... (Apologies, I know everyone wants to keep this a politics-light zone; this isn’t off topic.)
- nabla9 7y agoThe Camp of the Saints has nothing to do with climate change It's story about brown and black skinned others destroying western civilization with immigration. The motive is racist. The tone of the book is very passionate and overly emotional. Here is short preface Jean Raspail wrote to his book: > I HAD WANTED TO WRITE a lengthy preface to explain my position and show that this is no wild-eyed dream; that even if the specific action, symbolic as it is, may seem farfetched, the fact remains that we are inevitably heading for something of the sort. We need only glance at the awesome population figures predicted for the year 2000, i.e., twenty-eight years from now: seven billion people, only nine hundred million of whom will be white. But what good would it do? I should at least point out, though, that many of the texts I have put into my characters’ mouths or pens—editorials, speeches, pastoral letters, laws, news stories, statements of every description—are, in fact, authentic. Perhaps the reader will spot them as they go by. In terms of the fictional situation I have presented, they become all the more revealing.