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What’s your solution? Not being snippy just honestly interested.

opportune 7y ago
The solution is to not do anything about it. An absurd amount of money is wasted on ineffective mitigation strategies to protect against something less common than getting struck by lightning
- umvi 7y ago
  > The solution is to not do anything about it. I agree in many cases, but it's a circular problem: 1. Shooting event happens 2. Media whips up national frenzy, people start calling for politicians to do something 3. Politician's Syllogism happens due to pressure from #2 4. Repeat 1-3 The only way to break the cycle is to remove step 2.
  - mises 7y ago
    I sort of wonder: if we didn't publicize these the way we do, would it occur at the same rate? Terrorism happens so people can inflict terror. Less the terror, maybe it would reduce.
    - ipython 7y ago
      I wonder about this as well... but I am afraid the real answer lies with an underlying lack of meaning, lessened emphasis on community and lack of empathy. We like to treat the symptoms but the root cause is so removed we can’t even begin to identify it let alone address it.
  - seanmcdirmid 7y ago
    Every single other developed country has successfully dealt with this problem in another way besides censorship.
- ipython 7y ago
  That’s a specious argument. I can easily mitigate my own personal risk of getting struck by lightning. I have a weather forecast which gives me hours warning of unsafe conditions, and there are usually covered structures around to protect you from that risk. It’s not like the lightning follows you around to kill you.
  - jMyles 7y ago
    ...and yet, lightning still kills more people than mass shootings inside schools. Doesn't that tell you something? These events are exceedingly rare and not worth the amount of political capital spent on them. Automobile deaths? Opioid overdoses? Those are worth it.
    - ipython 7y ago
      But why do you care about opioid overdoses? Is it just the volume of dead? What about the relation between the aggressor and the victim? One could argue that there is no need to spend political capital on opioid abusers, after all, they are just by and large harming themselves and not innocent bystanders.
ozim 7y ago
Not sure if this is an answer but full weapon possession ban is kind of working in the Europe (not really full ban, bc you still can get gun permission and own gun, though it is not, go to Walmart and buy stuff). There are still some shootings and terrorist attacks but most of the time it works. You don't get school shootings as often as in us. I am quite right wing and self defense guy but I see the difference, and I would not like to have actual gun. One with rubber bullets would do just fine. I had right wing nuts people telling me that if there is a terrorist you can help police by shooting that guy from your window and showing thumbs up to SWAT team. That is frikin stupid... SWAT team if they notice someone having gun and not being their team, guess what, they shoot first then ask questions. Showing thumbs up having gun will earn you a bullet. In case of active shooter hide your rambo dreams in pocket, then hide somewhere and wait for professionals.

The solution is to not do anything about it. An absurd amount of money is wasted on ineffective mitigation strategies to protect against something less common than getting struck by lightning

umvi 7y ago
> The solution is to not do anything about it. I agree in many cases, but it's a circular problem: 1. Shooting event happens 2. Media whips up national frenzy, people start calling for politicians to do something 3. Politician's Syllogism happens due to pressure from #2 4. Repeat 1-3 The only way to break the cycle is to remove step 2.
- mises 7y ago
  I sort of wonder: if we didn't publicize these the way we do, would it occur at the same rate? Terrorism happens so people can inflict terror. Less the terror, maybe it would reduce.
  - ipython 7y ago
    I wonder about this as well... but I am afraid the real answer lies with an underlying lack of meaning, lessened emphasis on community and lack of empathy. We like to treat the symptoms but the root cause is so removed we can’t even begin to identify it let alone address it.
- seanmcdirmid 7y ago
  Every single other developed country has successfully dealt with this problem in another way besides censorship.
ipython 7y ago
That’s a specious argument. I can easily mitigate my own personal risk of getting struck by lightning. I have a weather forecast which gives me hours warning of unsafe conditions, and there are usually covered structures around to protect you from that risk. It’s not like the lightning follows you around to kill you.
- jMyles 7y ago
  ...and yet, lightning still kills more people than mass shootings inside schools. Doesn't that tell you something? These events are exceedingly rare and not worth the amount of political capital spent on them. Automobile deaths? Opioid overdoses? Those are worth it.
  - ipython 7y ago
    But why do you care about opioid overdoses? Is it just the volume of dead? What about the relation between the aggressor and the victim? One could argue that there is no need to spend political capital on opioid abusers, after all, they are just by and large harming themselves and not innocent bystanders.

ozim 7y ago

Not sure if this is an answer but full weapon possession ban is kind of working in the Europe (not really full ban, bc you still can get gun permission and own gun, though it is not, go to Walmart and buy stuff). There are still some shootings and terrorist attacks but most of the time it works. You don't get school shootings as often as in us. I am quite right wing and self defense guy but I see the difference, and I would not like to have actual gun. One with rubber bullets would do just fine. I had right wing nuts people telling me that if there is a terrorist you can help police by shooting that guy from your window and showing thumbs up to SWAT team. That is frikin stupid... SWAT team if they notice someone having gun and not being their team, guess what, they shoot first then ask questions. Showing thumbs up having gun will earn you a bullet. In case of active shooter hide your rambo dreams in pocket, then hide somewhere and wait for professionals.