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Both radar and IR? From different vantage points? Seems just as far fetched as aliens or someone else's (China, Russia?) black budget tech saying "hi." Or hell

by api 7y ago

Both radar and IR? From different vantage points? Seems just as far fetched as aliens or someone else's (China, Russia?) black budget tech saying "hi." Or hell maybe it's some of our own secret tech being tested against our own conventional tech. That would explain why the military brass showed up right after. They were collecting their data. I have to come out of the closet though and say I don't totally dismiss aliens. I would need a lot more evidence to make it more than a speculation, but IMHO it is not an unreasonable one. The discovery that Earth like planets are likely common makes the Fermi paradox very paradoxical. One potential answer is indeed "they are here but are not making overt contact." There are numerous rational reasons an intelligence might avoid overt contact, too many to list here...

TeMPOraL 7y ago
You wrote optical and IR. Anyways, the only footage I've seen so far is that FLIR video from a plane showing a weird object that happens to precisely follow the rotation of the camera and behave exactly as you'd expect an internal reflection in sensor optics to behave. Given that this is apparently the only footage publicly available from that incident, I'm inclined to discount the reports that some people say they saw something on other instruments.
- macawfish 7y ago
  I was under the impression that the camera/plane was tracking the object
  - TeMPOraL 7y ago
    It was. But the video looks like the camera software is trying to track something that's on or within the camera, thus doing a steady rotation at roughly uniform rate. In plane's frame of reference, this footage would correspond to an object trajectory shaped like a circle centered around the plane. That's a pretty weird trajectory to have. See for yourself: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9D8dzl4zGk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9D8dzl4zGk. And tell me, why would the UFO start rotating exactly at the moment the camera is about to cross 0 degrees, and persist through what looks like camera axis reorientation, continuously rotating at the rate about 2x of the rate camera axis rotates?
    - tatersolid 7y ago
      Most gimbal-based mechanical systems systems are made to rotate “unnecessarily” to avoid gimbal lock when two of the gimbals are about to coincide. The fact that this happens at very near zero degrees makes perfect sense if that’s where the gimbals would become aligned and locked.

by api 7y ago

TeMPOraL 7y ago

You wrote optical and IR. Anyways, the only footage I've seen so far is that FLIR video from a plane showing a weird object that happens to precisely follow the rotation of the camera and behave exactly as you'd expect an internal reflection in sensor optics to behave. Given that this is apparently the only footage publicly available from that incident, I'm inclined to discount the reports that some people say they saw something on other instruments.

macawfish 7y ago
I was under the impression that the camera/plane was tracking the object
- TeMPOraL 7y ago
  It was. But the video looks like the camera software is trying to track something that's on or within the camera, thus doing a steady rotation at roughly uniform rate. In plane's frame of reference, this footage would correspond to an object trajectory shaped like a circle centered around the plane. That's a pretty weird trajectory to have. See for yourself: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9D8dzl4zGk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9D8dzl4zGk. And tell me, why would the UFO start rotating exactly at the moment the camera is about to cross 0 degrees, and persist through what looks like camera axis reorientation, continuously rotating at the rate about 2x of the rate camera axis rotates?
  - tatersolid 7y ago
    Most gimbal-based mechanical systems systems are made to rotate “unnecessarily” to avoid gimbal lock when two of the gimbals are about to coincide. The fact that this happens at very near zero degrees makes perfect sense if that’s where the gimbals would become aligned and locked.