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As a Googler, that's a sentiment I have never heard expressed, nor have I felt anything even remotely like it myself. My guess would be that most people would f

As a Googler, that's a sentiment I have never heard expressed, nor have I felt anything even remotely like it myself. My guess would be that most people would feel a lot better about the company if they could see how the sausage gets made. At least, judging by the reactions of my family members when they ask me concerned questions and I explain how things work, that's what would happen. That being said, it will be interesting to see what comes out of this investigation. I'm curious to know what practices they are going to zero in on. No company should be immune to the law.

sockpuppet999 7y ago
It's not how the sausage is made that matters. The sausage is making ppl sick. I have no doubt you in your siloed Dev team know very little about what exactly is happening with your final products. We outside of your bubble are growing tired of your superiors growth at ANY cost company policies. Take heed bro. Time is getting kind of short. The surveillance economy is gonna bust. I'm gonna help break it- Any way I can. I'm not the only one thinking Along these lines
- dang 7y ago
  Please don't post like this here.
  - acct1771 7y ago
    Can you be more clear about the specifics? I don't like the general tone, but agree with the sentiment, and it seems tough to share without addressing the user personally, but was that it?
  - sockpuppet999 7y ago
    I'm sorry if I offended you Daniel. I offer my sincere apologies as I've seen the good work you do here and know your job is not easy. That being said I'd also like to add that these parasite corporations who keep pushing the envelope in regards to maximizing profits due to tracking thier users 24 hours a day It just needs to stop I'm sorry if I touched nerve but this needs to be said. I'm not going to say millions of ppl are worried about this. I will say that I'm old enough to have followed Google from thier early days( And yes I made a bundle on thier stocks in the 2ktens) It's a whole new world now. Google is behaving like a parasite by hoovering up every single data point that they can,and yes it's legal and within thier ToS to do this - it's bad. It's probably evil. We could go on and on About it( how they destroy every single thing they touchit-And yes you can call me a hippocrate for using a Gmail Address and I accept your criticism( it's not my only one. Daniel if you have to shut me down again because I've pinched another nerve,so be it-
  - sockpuppet999 7y ago
    Dang please email me and tell me specifically what I've done wrong here. I'm not trying to shitpost, I m pointing out the obvious FYI. Perhaps you could step back little bit and try to understand my point of view before threaten me
    - dang 7y ago
      You simply need to follow the site guidelines when posting to HN. Would you mind reviewing them? https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html Your comment upthread broke at least these two: "Comments should get more thoughtful and substantive, not less, as a topic gets more divisive." "Please don't use Hacker News for political or ideological battle. It destroys intellectual curiosity, which the site exists for."
      - sockpuppet999 7y ago
        I'm not sure what rule I've broken here. Id invite you to review some other comments here and compare them to my own and email me so we can come to a easy conclusion
        dang 7y ago
        I just mentioned two rules your comment broke. It wasn't thoughtful or substantive (instead, it was an indignant rant on a divisive topic). And it was a battle comment against an ideological opponent. These are just the things we don't want on HN because they spread flames and kill curiosity. Perhaps it would help to read https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20013092 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20013092 in addition to the site guidelines.
dvtrn 7y ago
As a Googler, that's a sentiment I have never heard expressed I've seen a lot of Googlers coming here lately, professing to be Googlers and stating "this hasn't been my experience". Asked genuinely: as someone inside the company-with much better access to sentiment, opinion and company culture than I could ever hope to have, is Google truly that open and transparent to employees that you actually had an expectation to see this sentiment "expressed" elsewhere? (I would pose a similar to question to other FAANG employees who do the "as an employee of faang[]:")
- mav3rick 7y ago
  Many many googlers constantly advocate their resentment to the company. The company gives more avenues for this than any other company in the world.
  - dvtrn 7y ago
    That's fantastic-that employees feel they can express resentment without reprisal, however I'm left feeling that my question wasn't really answered-regarding the sentiment quoted and the context being discussed via the article linked. "I'm worried that if the rest of America knew what we were actually doing here they would literally come here and kill us..." This is a VERY specific and very interesting response to the goings on of your employer. My company frequently has feedback surveys prompted by HR for employee satisfaction, I still hear through back-channel mediums a lot of gripes and kvetches that were uttered over libations with the understanding that the discussion doesn't leave the bar. I'm inquiring how insulated individuals at Google are from even that level of 'resentment' born dialogue between colleagues and coworkers.
    - joshuamorton 7y ago
      I think you're still assuming it's less open than it is. There's a (well documented now) culture of what might be be described as direct and open insubordination when management does things that are not well liked. I think your question was answered, but you don't really believe it, because it's difficult to believe.
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sockpuppet999 7y ago

It's not how the sausage is made that matters. The sausage is making ppl sick. I have no doubt you in your siloed Dev team know very little about what exactly is happening with your final products. We outside of your bubble are growing tired of your superiors growth at ANY cost company policies. Take heed bro. Time is getting kind of short. The surveillance economy is gonna bust. I'm gonna help break it- Any way I can. I'm not the only one thinking Along these lines

dang 7y ago
Please don't post like this here.
- acct1771 7y ago
  Can you be more clear about the specifics? I don't like the general tone, but agree with the sentiment, and it seems tough to share without addressing the user personally, but was that it?
- sockpuppet999 7y ago
  I'm sorry if I offended you Daniel. I offer my sincere apologies as I've seen the good work you do here and know your job is not easy. That being said I'd also like to add that these parasite corporations who keep pushing the envelope in regards to maximizing profits due to tracking thier users 24 hours a day It just needs to stop I'm sorry if I touched nerve but this needs to be said. I'm not going to say millions of ppl are worried about this. I will say that I'm old enough to have followed Google from thier early days( And yes I made a bundle on thier stocks in the 2ktens) It's a whole new world now. Google is behaving like a parasite by hoovering up every single data point that they can,and yes it's legal and within thier ToS to do this - it's bad. It's probably evil. We could go on and on About it( how they destroy every single thing they touchit-And yes you can call me a hippocrate for using a Gmail Address and I accept your criticism( it's not my only one. Daniel if you have to shut me down again because I've pinched another nerve,so be it-
- sockpuppet999 7y ago
  Dang please email me and tell me specifically what I've done wrong here. I'm not trying to shitpost, I m pointing out the obvious FYI. Perhaps you could step back little bit and try to understand my point of view before threaten me
  - dang 7y ago
    You simply need to follow the site guidelines when posting to HN. Would you mind reviewing them? https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html Your comment upthread broke at least these two: "Comments should get more thoughtful and substantive, not less, as a topic gets more divisive." "Please don't use Hacker News for political or ideological battle. It destroys intellectual curiosity, which the site exists for."
    - sockpuppet999 7y ago
      I'm not sure what rule I've broken here. Id invite you to review some other comments here and compare them to my own and email me so we can come to a easy conclusion
      - dang 7y ago
        I just mentioned two rules your comment broke. It wasn't thoughtful or substantive (instead, it was an indignant rant on a divisive topic). And it was a battle comment against an ideological opponent. These are just the things we don't want on HN because they spread flames and kill curiosity. Perhaps it would help to read https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20013092 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20013092 in addition to the site guidelines.

dvtrn 7y ago

As a Googler, that's a sentiment I have never heard expressed I've seen a lot of Googlers coming here lately, professing to be Googlers and stating "this hasn't been my experience". Asked genuinely: as someone inside the company-with much better access to sentiment, opinion and company culture than I could ever hope to have, is Google truly that open and transparent to employees that you actually had an expectation to see this sentiment "expressed" elsewhere? (I would pose a similar to question to other FAANG employees who do the "as an employee of faang[]:")

mav3rick 7y ago
Many many googlers constantly advocate their resentment to the company. The company gives more avenues for this than any other company in the world.
- dvtrn 7y ago
  That's fantastic-that employees feel they can express resentment without reprisal, however I'm left feeling that my question wasn't really answered-regarding the sentiment quoted and the context being discussed via the article linked. "I'm worried that if the rest of America knew what we were actually doing here they would literally come here and kill us..." This is a VERY specific and very interesting response to the goings on of your employer. My company frequently has feedback surveys prompted by HR for employee satisfaction, I still hear through back-channel mediums a lot of gripes and kvetches that were uttered over libations with the understanding that the discussion doesn't leave the bar. I'm inquiring how insulated individuals at Google are from even that level of 'resentment' born dialogue between colleagues and coworkers.
  - joshuamorton 7y ago
    I think you're still assuming it's less open than it is. There's a (well documented now) culture of what might be be described as direct and open insubordination when management does things that are not well liked. I think your question was answered, but you don't really believe it, because it's difficult to believe.

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