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> They can't really consent, because no-one truly understands what it is that they are agreeing to. That is a supposition of yours. I'm pretty confident that I

by darawk 7y ago

> They can't really consent, because no-one truly understands what it is that they are agreeing to. That is a supposition of yours. I'm pretty confident that I understand what i'm agreeing to. And I agree to it.

cyphar 7y ago
Maybe you do, but the vast majority of people do not. In that respect you definitely are an outlier. Most people don't understand the value that comes from user data, and the potentially damaging effects it might have on their life (Facebook can detect that you are homosexual through your Facebook usage, and if you live in a country where they kill homosexuals you are going to be in serious trouble). Almost no users understand the impact of the third-party doctrine. There are all sorts of other issues. If you talk to someone suspected of being a terrorist, then you are labeled as a suspected terrorist. Since this bill is about browsing data, if you read articles If you read articles that are seen as being objectionable (imagine reading articles about communism during McCarthyism) then you might be labeled as such even if you were reading them for purposes other than indoctrination. There is a reason that a court order is required to get the borrowing records of a particular library user and libraries cannot sell that information.
jhayward 7y ago
> I'm pretty confident that I understand what i'm agreeing to. Ok, let's explore that. Can you describe, completely, what it is that you are agreeing to? And just so we are speaking at the same level "I agree that you can do anything you want" isn't a meaningful consent.
- darawk 7y ago
  I consent to my location data being tracked, to the extent that I don't turn it off. Sometimes I choose to, but usually I don't. I consent to Google scanning my email to serve me relevant ads and provide useful information to me about arriving packages and the like. I consent to them monitoring my search habits, to the extent that I choose not to use incognito mode, in order to populate my Google Now feed and again, better target ads to me. I could go on enumerating more things for more companies, but I think you get the point.
chii 7y ago
There was a time where people willingly consented to being sold as slaves. Did they truly understand? Or was the circumstances "forced" upon it due to having no other options? If you had to consent for the use of an incredibly popular app, is it really understanding? Or is it capitulation disguised?
- darawk 7y ago
  > There was a time where people willingly consented to being sold as slaves. I'm not going to categorically say that that's false, but I find that somewhat hard to believe, except under very contrived circumstances that could hardly be called 'willing' (e.g. "we'll kill your family if you don't"). Do you have a citation for that?

by darawk 7y ago

cyphar 7y ago

Maybe you do, but the vast majority of people do not. In that respect you definitely are an outlier. Most people don't understand the value that comes from user data, and the potentially damaging effects it might have on their life (Facebook can detect that you are homosexual through your Facebook usage, and if you live in a country where they kill homosexuals you are going to be in serious trouble). Almost no users understand the impact of the third-party doctrine. There are all sorts of other issues. If you talk to someone suspected of being a terrorist, then you are labeled as a suspected terrorist. Since this bill is about browsing data, if you read articles If you read articles that are seen as being objectionable (imagine reading articles about communism during McCarthyism) then you might be labeled as such even if you were reading them for purposes other than indoctrination. There is a reason that a court order is required to get the borrowing records of a particular library user and libraries cannot sell that information.

jhayward 7y ago

> I'm pretty confident that I understand what i'm agreeing to. Ok, let's explore that. Can you describe, completely, what it is that you are agreeing to? And just so we are speaking at the same level "I agree that you can do anything you want" isn't a meaningful consent.

darawk 7y ago
I consent to my location data being tracked, to the extent that I don't turn it off. Sometimes I choose to, but usually I don't. I consent to Google scanning my email to serve me relevant ads and provide useful information to me about arriving packages and the like. I consent to them monitoring my search habits, to the extent that I choose not to use incognito mode, in order to populate my Google Now feed and again, better target ads to me. I could go on enumerating more things for more companies, but I think you get the point.

chii 7y ago

There was a time where people willingly consented to being sold as slaves. Did they truly understand? Or was the circumstances "forced" upon it due to having no other options? If you had to consent for the use of an incredibly popular app, is it really understanding? Or is it capitulation disguised?

darawk 7y ago
> There was a time where people willingly consented to being sold as slaves. I'm not going to categorically say that that's false, but I find that somewhat hard to believe, except under very contrived circumstances that could hardly be called 'willing' (e.g. "we'll kill your family if you don't"). Do you have a citation for that?