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One thing I don't see talked about much is the Uncanny Valley. No other technology has made it past it and looking at these they definitely have not either. Is

One thing I don't see talked about much is the Uncanny Valley. No other technology has made it past it and looking at these they definitely have not either. Is there any reason to think that "deepfakes" will leapfrog it somehow?

vokep 7y ago
Yes, these may be still in it, but they're climbing out. They're not leapfrogging it, they're just getting slowly better, inching further until they get past the valley.
robotzero 7y ago
I can't say that though... had these videos been sent to me and it was mentioned "Arnold lost weight" or "Brad Pitt reshot the scene after shedding some pounds" I'd have probably been less of a sceptic and in a quick pass this "fake news" could have got a pass from me or others. It's an interesting time and if you're doing cursory browsing of news bites for the day this may fly right past...
- redisman 7y ago
  The Fight Club one I couldn't tell was I looking at Edward Norton or Brad Pitt the whole time. Definitely in the valley for me but I guess I was looking for it.
copperx 7y ago
The problem is that a big percentage of people will not have the gut reaction that screams "there's something really unsettling about that person's face" when looking at a deepfake. Just take a sample of your close friends or relatives. How many of them can tell 48fps video apart from 24fps? How many people leave Smooth Motion turned on on their TV's without even noticing it? Hell, I remember people telling me that they could not tell the difference between Blu-ray and DVD when Blu-ray came out. Even in this forum, a lot of people have claimed that there's little difference between a 1080p monitor and a 4k monitor scaled at 200% (Retina). It's 2019. 1080p screens are completely unsuitable for looking at text, and yet many people can barely notice the difference. That's what we have to worry about. The tech is good enough to weaponize right now. And I see no way out of it, except with education. Perhaps high schools should eventually include a visual and aural literacy course as part of the curriculum.

vokep 7y ago

Yes, these may be still in it, but they're climbing out. They're not leapfrogging it, they're just getting slowly better, inching further until they get past the valley.

robotzero 7y ago

I can't say that though... had these videos been sent to me and it was mentioned "Arnold lost weight" or "Brad Pitt reshot the scene after shedding some pounds" I'd have probably been less of a sceptic and in a quick pass this "fake news" could have got a pass from me or others. It's an interesting time and if you're doing cursory browsing of news bites for the day this may fly right past...

redisman 7y ago
The Fight Club one I couldn't tell was I looking at Edward Norton or Brad Pitt the whole time. Definitely in the valley for me but I guess I was looking for it.

copperx 7y ago

The problem is that a big percentage of people will not have the gut reaction that screams "there's something really unsettling about that person's face" when looking at a deepfake. Just take a sample of your close friends or relatives. How many of them can tell 48fps video apart from 24fps? How many people leave Smooth Motion turned on on their TV's without even noticing it? Hell, I remember people telling me that they could not tell the difference between Blu-ray and DVD when Blu-ray came out. Even in this forum, a lot of people have claimed that there's little difference between a 1080p monitor and a 4k monitor scaled at 200% (Retina). It's 2019. 1080p screens are completely unsuitable for looking at text, and yet many people can barely notice the difference. That's what we have to worry about. The tech is good enough to weaponize right now. And I see no way out of it, except with education. Perhaps high schools should eventually include a visual and aural literacy course as part of the curriculum.