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Many Bones Would You Break to Get Laid

4 points by anarbadalov 7y ago

anarbadalov 7y ago
Surprising and in-depth look at the lengths to which incels are willing to go to improve their dating prospects.
MagicPropmaker 7y ago
Given today's demographics, not being overweight and being _slightly_ toned, already will put you in the top 10%. This doesn't take much. And if you want a little silicone chin implant that can be inserted in a few minutes, it can make most of the difference without all the other corrections that people are getting. Men who want to look good shouldn't feel ashamed, or be label with "body dysmorphic" unless there's a real issue. Frankly, there's no reason men shouldn't try to look their best, as women have been pressured to for years!
onemoresoop 7y ago
I made the mistake to read the comments on the article, and am shocked of some people's comments (who are obviously not only incels but mentally disturbed). The incels community is a hate breeding ground that can cause real violence in the real world. Some guy aspires to the success of what he calls the dark triad traits: psychopathic, Machiavellian and narcissistic gives examples of such men who had success with women: Ted Bundy, Hitler, etc.. Mind boggling.
- api 7y ago
  It's kind of fascinating when you put on a neutral anthropologist sort of hat and look at this stuff. Things like the incel phenomenon are basically cults, but they're a new kind of cult for the Internet age. They're like amorphous cults where the charismatic leader is a Borg-like hive-mind that exists in online forums. There are lots of weird variations on the theme too. Look into the Slenderman phenomenon. It was something invented on a forum that ended up turning into a weird urban legend and then causing a few murders.
  - onemoresoop 7y ago
    Yes, your're right, they're a new kind of cult facilitated by internet and anonymity which functions similarly to old cults, a charismatic leader brainwashes a mass of people. Their outreach is far greater, anyone who has internet connection can basically partake. Traditional cults have a much smaller footprint. I think other types of internet cults are yet to come, and we should brace for it somehow. One big factor that pushes people towards internet cults is the fact that society is becoming increasingly connected and yet people are more and more physically isolated from one another
    - 0815test 7y ago
      The fact that these folks are actually striving to get things like plastic surgeries so that they can achieve their goal of overcoming lookism and achieving social success, would seem to argue against it being like a cult - they're putting their ideas to the test, one way or the other. I see pure "blackpill", nihilistic thinking as quite a bit more cult-like.
      - onemoresoop 7y ago
        They are cult like but not like a classic cult, but not like a community either. The difference being that these people are isolated from the world and physically isolated from other members like themselves. The more toxic ones feed the others poison. The ones who manage to get out are called fake-in cells. If they got to hang out physically they'd probably detest each other.
    - api 7y ago
      Cults are not new. The fascinating thing to me is that in many cases there is no single embodied leader or even founder. Instead the charismatic leader seems to be the cult itself with this being facilitated through a rapid iterative feedback loop via the Internet. I think the best terminology for these might be Borg from Star Trek since they work like little Borg collectives. They develop their own little reality distortion field and then try to suck people in and "assimilate" them. Have you been "red pilled?" I've wondered if parts of the chans (e.g. /pol/) and other anonymous forums with cult-like ideologies and cultures surrounding them aren't the first examples of hive minds. Unfortunately they're pretty dystopian hive minds with the dominant emotions being hate, shame, and fear and the dominant intellectual undercurrents being nihilism, cynicism, totalitarianism, etc.
DerekL 7y ago
Actual title is “How Many Bones Would You Break to Get Laid?” Why was it changed?

4 points by anarbadalov 7y ago

Surprising and in-depth look at the lengths to which incels are willing to go to improve their dating prospects.

Given today's demographics, not being overweight and being _slightly_ toned, already will put you in the top 10%. This doesn't take much. And if you want a little silicone chin implant that can be inserted in a few minutes, it can make most of the difference without all the other corrections that people are getting. Men who want to look good shouldn't feel ashamed, or be label with "body dysmorphic" unless there's a real issue. Frankly, there's no reason men shouldn't try to look their best, as women have been pressured to for years!

onemoresoop 7y ago

I made the mistake to read the comments on the article, and am shocked of some people's comments (who are obviously not only incels but mentally disturbed). The incels community is a hate breeding ground that can cause real violence in the real world. Some guy aspires to the success of what he calls the dark triad traits: psychopathic, Machiavellian and narcissistic gives examples of such men who had success with women: Ted Bundy, Hitler, etc.. Mind boggling.

api 7y ago
It's kind of fascinating when you put on a neutral anthropologist sort of hat and look at this stuff. Things like the incel phenomenon are basically cults, but they're a new kind of cult for the Internet age. They're like amorphous cults where the charismatic leader is a Borg-like hive-mind that exists in online forums. There are lots of weird variations on the theme too. Look into the Slenderman phenomenon. It was something invented on a forum that ended up turning into a weird urban legend and then causing a few murders.
- onemoresoop 7y ago
  Yes, your're right, they're a new kind of cult facilitated by internet and anonymity which functions similarly to old cults, a charismatic leader brainwashes a mass of people. Their outreach is far greater, anyone who has internet connection can basically partake. Traditional cults have a much smaller footprint. I think other types of internet cults are yet to come, and we should brace for it somehow. One big factor that pushes people towards internet cults is the fact that society is becoming increasingly connected and yet people are more and more physically isolated from one another
  - 0815test 7y ago
    The fact that these folks are actually striving to get things like plastic surgeries so that they can achieve their goal of overcoming lookism and achieving social success, would seem to argue against it being like a cult - they're putting their ideas to the test, one way or the other. I see pure "blackpill", nihilistic thinking as quite a bit more cult-like.
    - onemoresoop 7y ago
      They are cult like but not like a classic cult, but not like a community either. The difference being that these people are isolated from the world and physically isolated from other members like themselves. The more toxic ones feed the others poison. The ones who manage to get out are called fake-in cells. If they got to hang out physically they'd probably detest each other.
  - api 7y ago
    Cults are not new. The fascinating thing to me is that in many cases there is no single embodied leader or even founder. Instead the charismatic leader seems to be the cult itself with this being facilitated through a rapid iterative feedback loop via the Internet. I think the best terminology for these might be Borg from Star Trek since they work like little Borg collectives. They develop their own little reality distortion field and then try to suck people in and "assimilate" them. Have you been "red pilled?" I've wondered if parts of the chans (e.g. /pol/) and other anonymous forums with cult-like ideologies and cultures surrounding them aren't the first examples of hive minds. Unfortunately they're pretty dystopian hive minds with the dominant emotions being hate, shame, and fear and the dominant intellectual undercurrents being nihilism, cynicism, totalitarianism, etc.

DerekL 7y ago

Actual title is “How Many Bones Would You Break to Get Laid?” Why was it changed?