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Don't get me wrong-- on the Firefox side of things, it's been the user experience of the browser itself which has been suffering. Every single update since Qua
by soulofmischief 7y ago
Don't get me wrong-- on the Firefox side of things, it's been the user experience of the browser itself which has been suffering.
Every single update since Quantum has made things worse. Three days ago I opened up Firefox to find out all of my settings had been nuked, 200+ tabs, themes and extensions lost, about:config reset, search settings reset (hello again Google) etc. I'm still fuming mad about this.
I don't feel like drudging up old history but my most recent bug was that Chrome doesn't properly bubble mouse click events when some UI elements fire.
WONTFIX of course, apparently I should just use event.preventDefault() even though every other browser handled this particular mouse event correctly. Chrome was the only outlier. So now I am writing code specifically for Chrome.
Two years ago I had an SVG rendering bug that turned out to be so deep that I had to spend two weeks debugging and come up with an incredibly convoluted scheme for loading dynamic SVG icons because `<use/>` is broken hot garbage on Chrome. Bug report dead in the water. More code just for Chrome.
You get the picture. I now have to develop on Chrome as much as I hate it, even though FF has better debug messages and stability, just because it saves time testing every little thing out.
- badamp 7y agoCan’t you restore all the settings from a TimeMachine backup or similar? They’re just stored in files in the profile directory.
- javagram 7y agoI upvoted you (because your suggestion is a good solution) but let’s be real, most people don’t have backups, even developers. In my experience as a developer companies don’t even issue me a USB backup drive to run time machine on my work issued MacBook Pro unless I specifically request it.
- jyrkesh 7y agoReally replying to @tlb here (reply depth is maxed), but what's the Time Machine equivalent for ? Most of the pre-rolled backup solutions I've used either have you point to a specific set of content folders (like Photos, Music, Videos, etc.), and do a terrible job at handling profile data, system files, and everything that's "in use" when using my box is handling some kind of state.
- tlb 7y agoPlease don't normalize that behavior. Not having regular backups is dumb, like not wearing seatbelts. On a Mac it's so easy -- just plug a drive in once a week or so and Time Machine does its thing. A 1 TB hard drive is cheap, far less than the value of a lost day.
- stephenr 7y agoWhy once a week? Leave it plugged in, you get more granular recent backups, and don’t have to remember to plug it in.
- tynorf 7y agomacOS will create local backups (space permitting) and then dump them all at once when connected to the Time Machine drive. Though of course you won't have the backups from between the last time you connected the drive to the time your computer was hosed.
- stephenr 7y agoI get that but what I’m saying is, why limit yourself to a “real” backup once a week? What benefit does it have to just leaving the drive plugged in?
- Dylan16807 7y agoI for one like to have some protection from crypotolockers. And power surges.
- antsar 7y agoSome people use laptops, and want to move around with those laptops. Keeping an external drive connected kinda gets in the way :)
- soulofmischief 7y agoAs I said elsewhere, I'm in a weird position where this particular Firefox on this particular machine didn't have a backup. I'm waiting on a new drive to come in the mail as we speak. So chew me out. Sue me. I didn't have a backup for this one Firefox instance out of half a dozen. But please don't normalize the expectation that my browser deleting everything with an automatic update is somehow a user error. Microsoft doesn't get a free pass, neither does Mozilla.
- behringer 7y agoAnd that's firefox' problem how exactly?
- bdamm 7y agoBecause if firefox hadn't nuked the user's config we wouldn't be talking about how to recover that config. Any time the advice is "restore from backups" then the product has exhibited a poor user experience. And this isn't because of some hardware failure, this is just the software bungling an update flow, with no special notice to the user or any obvious way to recover.
- behringer 7y agoOr it was an OS bug, or sunspots, or cosmic radiation... There's a reason people have backups.
- soulofmischief 7y agoI'm not blaming Mozilla for sunspots. I'm blaming Mozilla for nuking my config with an automatic update. Let's stay on topic. Do you similarly give Microsoft a free pass when automatic Windows updates delete your grandmother's photo album?
- behringer 7y agoI do. I've learned over the years that any MS update could nuke my computer. And what I'm saying is on subject, you have no proof that Mozilla nuked the configuration. It could have been caused by circumstances outside their control. I've been using FF for years and years and never lost anything, presumably including after this so-called failed update.
- soulofmischief 7y agoThat's the software equivalent of Stockholm Syndrome.
- soulofmischief 7y agoI'm in a weird position where this particular Firefox on this particular machine didn't have a backup. Of course, Firefox should not be pushing rushed, unfinished releases as they have been, they should never destroy data even one update every 10 years, because it is supposed to be stable software.
- JoshMnem 7y agoIt might just be the nature of computers. A similar thing happened to me on Chrome during a recent update. I was using it as a backup browser and lost everything there when Chrome stopped working. I deleted it from my laptop and haven't missed it at all. I now use multiple Firefox profiles to work as alternate browsers. If you go into your profiles directory is the old profile still there? It might have just created a new profile for you.
- soulofmischief 7y agoThe nature of a stable computing environment is not to randomly delete user data.
- JoshMnem 7y agoChrome did it to me too. I had many links saved in onetab that are now lost. No software is completely stable on all computers in all situations. Did you double-check your profile folder? Firefox might have created a new profile for you while leaving the old profile there. If you're on Linux or Mac, try typing this in a terminal: firefox -ProfileManager -no-remote & Then, if there is more than one profile listed there, try each one to see if it's the old profile. (I'm not sure how to find the profile folder on Windows.)
- purple_ducks 7y ago> It might just be the nature of computers Computers are not conscious.
- acemarke 7y agoFirefox 67 tried to switch to creating a new profile folder by default. It seems that the process might have gone wrong. It's likely that your settings still exist, but in a separate profile folder.
- soulofmischief 7y agoSomeone else was saying something similar but I couldn't find any more info, any idea how to restore it on Windows? Linux FF seemed to be ok.
- snazz 7y agoTake a look in C:\Users\<username>\AppData\Roaming\Mozilla\Firefox\Profiles
- soulofmischief 7y agoI know where my profiles directory is... But my profile is trashed. The only two profiles aren't mine but default releases.
- lousken 7y agoI also lost everything during an update and as for themes and extensions I do backup those from time to time since then. But losing tabs is a lot worse. At least there's a way to get them back though - e.g. on windows it's %APPDATA%\Mozilla\Firefox\Profiles\your_profile\sessionstore-backups. After you close FF you can copy over the .jsonlz4 backup to your_profile and replace the sessionstore.jsonlz4 file.
- soulofmischief 7y agoMy profile disappeared, replaced wholesale. I use Tab Session Manager to automatically backup profiles and Mozilla figured out a way to delete those, too.
- BlueTemplar 7y agoWell, if you really care about the ongoing issue, shouldn't you rather go the "Chrom(e/ium) not supported, use Firefox" route ?
- soulofmischief 7y agoThat's cute, but I develop software in the real world and I am beholden to both market forces and my clients' wishes.
- BlueTemplar 7y agoWeren't developers during the IE6 era beholden to market forces too? Do you want to be part of the problem ?
- soulofmischief 7y agoI'm not part of the problem just because I have to deal with it. My company's motives and mine are separate.