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> AMD just aren't selling many CPUs to business desktop system integrators, partly due to dubious tactics by Intel to keep them out of the market. If you sell m

> AMD just aren't selling many CPUs to business desktop system integrators, partly due to dubious tactics by Intel to keep them out of the market. If you sell most of your CPUs to enthusiasts, it just doesn't make sense to squander die area on a crappy iGPU. I'm a developer, and I want fast build times. I don't need a dedicated GPU for that. Right now I'm squandering money and power on a dedicated GPU which is probably idling at 0.0000001% rendering a composited 2D desktop in its sleep.

apatheticonion 7y ago
My terminal window has a background blur effect and I like my desktop switching animations to maintain 144fps. Implying devs don't use dedicated graphics cards...
- copperx 7y ago
  What desktop environment do you use that has buttery smooth 144fps animations? Gnome certainly isn't smooth.
  - josteink 7y ago
    And who can read a terminal at 144fps anyway? I seriously couldn't care less about eye-candy, animations and fps. Then again, I'm an i3/sway-user, so I guess I don't exactly represent the average (Linux) user.
    - cfcosta 7y ago
      No need for animations or anything like that, 144hz also means less input lag and tearing.
wtallis 7y ago
If you really need a mountain of CPU power, then your stance toward the GPU should be that you're glad the several Watts it requires aren't being emitted under the same heatsink as the CPU you're relying on, and that it isn't wasting memory bandwidth you could put to better use.
deagle50 7y ago
You can buy a used GPU for well under $100. Now you can drive multiple 4k screens for that HiDPI terminal goodness and stop choking your CPU's memory bandwidth :) Still a better deal than Intel and a superior desktop experience.
djsumdog 7y ago
Same here. I recently did a Ryzen 7 build with a Thin-ITX board. https://penguindreams.org/blog/louqe-ghost-s1-build-and-review/ https://penguindreams.org/blog/louqe-ghost-s1-build-and-revi... I have a separate gaming machine, and would have rather just used the integrated for my Linux machine. It doesn't look like AMD is refreshing their APU lineup at all in this release. Did I miss it, or are there no APUs in the list?
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- mroche 7y ago
  The APU/mobile chips typically come later. Raven Ridge chips were released after their desktop counterparts, and the Zen+ (12nm) 3000U series mobile chips were announced only a few months ago.
cl0ckt0wer 7y ago
You could always get a reburb $15 Radeon from a few years ago if you really don't care about 3d performance. I also considered going with a USB-DisplayPort adapter, but it was more expensive and I wasn't sure how well it would work.
- Tsiklon 7y ago
  As far as I'm aware, a USB-Displayport adapter will make use of the system's CPU more than a cheap discrete add in card would, factor in the custom drivers that one would have to install (both on Linux and OS X) and for me that would be a non-starter as my sole video output
BuckRogers 7y ago
I feel the same way and wish all CPUs had at least some rudimentary video output capability. I've always appreciated Intel for that. They've taken a mobile-first / mobile->desktop strategy, and AMD adopted a server-first / server->desktop strategy. Intel's desktop CPUs are a bit of an afterthought, and AMD's mobile (APU) is a bit of an afterthought. For AMD, what they've done makes the most sense, as fighting Intel in the mobile space is the toughest market to break into. You can get a cheap Geforce 1050 for $130 or so, and with the perk of having great OpenGL/DX drivers to keep anything that you do end up using it for, nice and snappy. I'm in your same boat and use a 2700X and a 1060. AMD should really have their motherboard vendors add some sort of basic functionality, like the old IGPs.

apatheticonion 7y ago

My terminal window has a background blur effect and I like my desktop switching animations to maintain 144fps. Implying devs don't use dedicated graphics cards...

copperx 7y ago
What desktop environment do you use that has buttery smooth 144fps animations? Gnome certainly isn't smooth.
- josteink 7y ago
  And who can read a terminal at 144fps anyway? I seriously couldn't care less about eye-candy, animations and fps. Then again, I'm an i3/sway-user, so I guess I don't exactly represent the average (Linux) user.
  - cfcosta 7y ago
    No need for animations or anything like that, 144hz also means less input lag and tearing.

wtallis 7y ago

If you really need a mountain of CPU power, then your stance toward the GPU should be that you're glad the several Watts it requires aren't being emitted under the same heatsink as the CPU you're relying on, and that it isn't wasting memory bandwidth you could put to better use.

deagle50 7y ago

You can buy a used GPU for well under $100. Now you can drive multiple 4k screens for that HiDPI terminal goodness and stop choking your CPU's memory bandwidth :) Still a better deal than Intel and a superior desktop experience.

djsumdog 7y ago

Same here. I recently did a Ryzen 7 build with a Thin-ITX board. https://penguindreams.org/blog/louqe-ghost-s1-build-and-review/ https://penguindreams.org/blog/louqe-ghost-s1-build-and-revi... I have a separate gaming machine, and would have rather just used the integrated for my Linux machine. It doesn't look like AMD is refreshing their APU lineup at all in this release. Did I miss it, or are there no APUs in the list?

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mroche 7y ago
The APU/mobile chips typically come later. Raven Ridge chips were released after their desktop counterparts, and the Zen+ (12nm) 3000U series mobile chips were announced only a few months ago.

cl0ckt0wer 7y ago

You could always get a reburb $15 Radeon from a few years ago if you really don't care about 3d performance. I also considered going with a USB-DisplayPort adapter, but it was more expensive and I wasn't sure how well it would work.

Tsiklon 7y ago
As far as I'm aware, a USB-Displayport adapter will make use of the system's CPU more than a cheap discrete add in card would, factor in the custom drivers that one would have to install (both on Linux and OS X) and for me that would be a non-starter as my sole video output

BuckRogers 7y ago

I feel the same way and wish all CPUs had at least some rudimentary video output capability. I've always appreciated Intel for that. They've taken a mobile-first / mobile->desktop strategy, and AMD adopted a server-first / server->desktop strategy. Intel's desktop CPUs are a bit of an afterthought, and AMD's mobile (APU) is a bit of an afterthought. For AMD, what they've done makes the most sense, as fighting Intel in the mobile space is the toughest market to break into. You can get a cheap Geforce 1050 for $130 or so, and with the perk of having great OpenGL/DX drivers to keep anything that you do end up using it for, nice and snappy. I'm in your same boat and use a 2700X and a 1060. AMD should really have their motherboard vendors add some sort of basic functionality, like the old IGPs.