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Beyond using an asinine parody format, this isn’t instructive as the United States was formed from former sovereign holdings and was arguably forced by two majo

Beyond using an asinine parody format, this isn’t instructive as the United States was formed from former sovereign holdings and was arguably forced by two major wars (1812 and 1861) to increase its federal power. The EU was formed by sovereign nations, many with long history, in a prosperous time and not in response to existential threats. Unlike the United States, the EU beyond providing a trade zone does not give its members new tools to solve problems as the members already had unlimited power to enact their own policy.

dane-pgp 7y ago
> ... was arguably forced by two major wars... You may want to read more about the impetus behind the formation of the EU, in particular its origins in the European Coal and Steel Community: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Coal_and_Steel_Community https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Coal_and_Steel_Commun...
- 1123581321 7y ago
  Thank you; that link further corroborates that the EU has its origins in (the re-emergence of) peace-time prosperity and between fully capable nations. There was no risk of a war between Germany and France when the ECSC was proposed.
  - pintxo 7y ago
    There might have been no imminent risk of war been present at the very beginning of what we call today the EU. But the history of repeated wars in Europe is surely one of the largest drivers behind all of it [1]. The ECSC was founded in 1951 [2], that is just 6 years after the end of WW2! > Determined to prevent another such terrible war, European governments concluded that pooling coal and steel production would – in the words of the Declaration – make war between historic rivals France and Germany "not merely unthinkable, but materially impossible". [3] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pax_Europaea https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pax_Europaea [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Coal_and_Steel_Community https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Coal_and_Steel_Commun... [3] https://europa.eu/european-union/about-eu/symbols/europe-day/schuman-declaration_en https://europa.eu/european-union/about-eu/symbols/europe-day...

dane-pgp 7y ago

> ... was arguably forced by two major wars... You may want to read more about the impetus behind the formation of the EU, in particular its origins in the European Coal and Steel Community: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Coal_and_Steel_Community https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Coal_and_Steel_Commun...

1123581321 7y ago
Thank you; that link further corroborates that the EU has its origins in (the re-emergence of) peace-time prosperity and between fully capable nations. There was no risk of a war between Germany and France when the ECSC was proposed.
- pintxo 7y ago
  There might have been no imminent risk of war been present at the very beginning of what we call today the EU. But the history of repeated wars in Europe is surely one of the largest drivers behind all of it [1]. The ECSC was founded in 1951 [2], that is just 6 years after the end of WW2! > Determined to prevent another such terrible war, European governments concluded that pooling coal and steel production would – in the words of the Declaration – make war between historic rivals France and Germany "not merely unthinkable, but materially impossible". [3] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pax_Europaea https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pax_Europaea [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Coal_and_Steel_Community https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Coal_and_Steel_Commun... [3] https://europa.eu/european-union/about-eu/symbols/europe-day/schuman-declaration_en https://europa.eu/european-union/about-eu/symbols/europe-day...