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Brexit Party Dominates as Tories and Labour Suffer
- teh_klev 7y agoWell, thankfully except for viewers in Scotland :)
- dennistaylor88 7y agoThe E.U. would have worked better, if it stayed a free trade union. The pursuit of turning it into a super state evolved the EU into a bureaucratic mess.
- smitty1e 7y agoThe Tower of Babel is among the oldest project management case studies in human history, and seems to enjoy frequent repetition. People don't scale, no matter what the "homo bureaucratus" minority might wish.
- mc32 7y ago-They started with a common market --which is good. -Then they added a hamstrung common currency (but nations were fiscally independent). -And finally they're looking to have a super-government atop national governments. I think this one is the main thing which irks people. That said, I think a common currency with independent fiscal policies and budgets is largely unworkable. Why is Spain or Greece stuck with the same monetary policy as Germany?
- aries1980 7y ago> I think this one is the main thing which irks people. Indeed. France and The Netherlands rejected the Treaty of Lisbon in referendum, yet 2 years later, the Treaty was signed. The UK didn't dare to hold a referendum.
- dane-pgp 7y agoThe U.S. would have worked better, it if stayed a confederacy. The pursuit of turning it into a super state evolved the US into a bureaucratic mess.
- mc32 7y agoWe’ve had over 200 years to work things out —slowly. It was pretty much a diaspora of the same mindset throughout with a common language and body of law. Two hundred or a hundred years ago people put up with a lot. A modern world doesn’t want to wait for things to work themselves out.
- naravara 7y ago>We’ve had over 200 years to work things out slowly. It was pretty much a diaspora of the same mindset throughout with a common language. Not really. Big parts of Pennsylvania and New York we’re speaking Dutch. A lot of the South was speaking Spanish. A bunch of the hinterland was Francophone. And that’s just the White people.
- mc32 7y agoSo you’re saying the EU should be like an XVIII century formational country like the US or even Russia or China or Japan and homogenize? Maybe let’s start with the French dropping French and let’s have Russia give up some land for eastward expansion. Once you prove your success there, Africa awaits for unification efforts too.
- happymellon 7y agoYou say that like you jest, but with the UK out the chances of having a common language have improved.
- rayiner 7y agoTwo hundred years ago, the federal government was tiny and most decisions were made locally. That changed dramatically in the last two generations.
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- Simulacra 7y agoI'm still waiting to see if all of this is for naught, and the UK already left the Union.
- dane-pgp 7y agoWay to bury the lede, BBC. Another way to look at these results is: Remain parties: 40.4% | Hard Brexit parties: 34.9% | Conservatives/Labour: 23.2% as per: https://twitter.com/EuropeElects/status/1132805516189683712 https://twitter.com/EuropeElects/status/1132805516189683712 It's a pity that despite the European elections being the closest the UK comes to using a nationwide proportional voting system, some of the media tries to present the outcome in terms of which party won the biggest minority, and how the two main parties fared.
- jim-jim-jim 7y agoDon't EU elections usually favor more obscure parties? There were some BNP MEPs not too far back, no?
- teh_klev 7y agoOnly because a proportional representation system is used. Back in 2009 Nick Griffin and Andrew Brons were elected as MEP's for one term. After that the BNP's vote dwindled and they lost their seats.