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News websites https://web.archive.org/web/19990128201038/http://dnes.seznam.cz/ https://web.archive.org/web/19990128201038/http://dnes.sezna... no spying, popu

News websites https://web.archive.org/web/19990128201038/http://dnes.seznam.cz/ https://web.archive.org/web/19990128201038/http://dnes.sezna... no spying, popups, animations, autoplaying videos, clickbait thumbnails... just a simple website with information now I have to use three addons just to get back this clean look

caymanjim 7y ago
archive.org isn't archiving the spam. Websites were far, far worse visual and interactive experiences then. Everything blinked and scrolled, popups were rampant and almost impossible to dismiss, there were no ad blockers. It was a nightmare. There weren't sophisticated ad tracking systems or geolocation databases for targeted advertising, but there was far less privacy and security.
- Aeolun 7y ago
  The fact that all these databases were disconnected arguably gave you much more privacy than can be achieved now.
  - caymanjim 7y ago
    I agree. I meant to expand on that a bit, in that no one used SSL and individual site security was lax or non-existent. Now the transport is secure but the data is intentionally shared to far more people. It was just a mess back then.
- lousken 7y ago
  I don't remember any popups back when I was on Windows 98, it started with XP and IE6 for me but czech sites might've been a little different. And yea, there were blinking and scrolling on personal sites but sites like seznam.cz were clean.
return1 7y ago
Seriously you dont remember the gifs, the flash , the unblocked popups/popunders/popovers/hijackers etc? It was far worse back then but the signal to noise was better. The reason: lack of social media which is 99.999999% absolute informational garbage.
- krapp 7y ago
  >lack of social media which is 99.999999% absolute informational garbage. The purpose of social media isn't to provide "information," but to facilitate communication between people. Making jokes or discussing trivial matters which don't interest you personally, or not doing so in a way that maximizes information density, does not make it garbage.
  - return1 7y ago
    the problem is they leak out
  - kthejoker2 7y ago
    What makes social media garbage is it takes every human cognitive bias and multiplies it by infinity, and offers very little virtue by way of compensation. It is psychic damage entirely driven by the id. It replaces expert advice and ombudsmen with popularity contests and groupthink. It is a neverending reinforcement loop of your filter bubble. It mainstreams every fringe movement - because social media uses attention as a key metric, it rewards controversy, outrage, and conspiracy. It's a 24/7, infinite scale, effectively anonymous and entirely asymmetrical amalgam of the Stanford Prison Experiment, Kitty Genovese, Jonestown, Alfred Dreyfus, Jack Chick, Charles Mackay, the Hillsborough crush, 2 minute hate, the banality of evil, "a lie flies around the world before truth gets its boots on", cargo cults, suicide bombers, the Inquisition, Leon Festinger, "It ain’t what you don’t know that gets you into trouble, it’s what you know for sure that just ain’t so", and 1000 other human failings.
- lousken 7y ago
  No, didn't have flash or java installed before XP; and as I said below - gifs sure, no don't remember any popups on czech sites i visited.

caymanjim 7y ago

archive.org isn't archiving the spam. Websites were far, far worse visual and interactive experiences then. Everything blinked and scrolled, popups were rampant and almost impossible to dismiss, there were no ad blockers. It was a nightmare. There weren't sophisticated ad tracking systems or geolocation databases for targeted advertising, but there was far less privacy and security.

Aeolun 7y ago
The fact that all these databases were disconnected arguably gave you much more privacy than can be achieved now.
- caymanjim 7y ago
  I agree. I meant to expand on that a bit, in that no one used SSL and individual site security was lax or non-existent. Now the transport is secure but the data is intentionally shared to far more people. It was just a mess back then.
lousken 7y ago
I don't remember any popups back when I was on Windows 98, it started with XP and IE6 for me but czech sites might've been a little different. And yea, there were blinking and scrolling on personal sites but sites like seznam.cz were clean.

return1 7y ago

Seriously you dont remember the gifs, the flash , the unblocked popups/popunders/popovers/hijackers etc? It was far worse back then but the signal to noise was better. The reason: lack of social media which is 99.999999% absolute informational garbage.

krapp 7y ago
>lack of social media which is 99.999999% absolute informational garbage. The purpose of social media isn't to provide "information," but to facilitate communication between people. Making jokes or discussing trivial matters which don't interest you personally, or not doing so in a way that maximizes information density, does not make it garbage.
- return1 7y ago
  the problem is they leak out
- kthejoker2 7y ago
  What makes social media garbage is it takes every human cognitive bias and multiplies it by infinity, and offers very little virtue by way of compensation. It is psychic damage entirely driven by the id. It replaces expert advice and ombudsmen with popularity contests and groupthink. It is a neverending reinforcement loop of your filter bubble. It mainstreams every fringe movement - because social media uses attention as a key metric, it rewards controversy, outrage, and conspiracy. It's a 24/7, infinite scale, effectively anonymous and entirely asymmetrical amalgam of the Stanford Prison Experiment, Kitty Genovese, Jonestown, Alfred Dreyfus, Jack Chick, Charles Mackay, the Hillsborough crush, 2 minute hate, the banality of evil, "a lie flies around the world before truth gets its boots on", cargo cults, suicide bombers, the Inquisition, Leon Festinger, "It ain’t what you don’t know that gets you into trouble, it’s what you know for sure that just ain’t so", and 1000 other human failings.
lousken 7y ago
No, didn't have flash or java installed before XP; and as I said below - gifs sure, no don't remember any popups on czech sites i visited.