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> This comes as Google cut off Huawei devices from its Android OS following a U.S. order banning the sale of American software and components to the company I

> This comes as Google cut off Huawei devices from its Android OS following a U.S. order banning the sale of American software and components to the company I don't understand what is the point of this. Sure, government/companies doesn't have to buy anything from Huawei but why they are not even allowed to sell Android to others?

fhars 7y ago
Because this is mostly not about security, but about trade war and protectionism.
- threeseed 7y ago
  Actually it's about security as well. There is a reason that countries like Australia, NZ, UK etc have either banned the company outright or had to take measures to ring fence their products.
  - cdmckay 7y ago
    Care to share those reasons? Because Australia, for example, decided to ban Huawei in a closed door national security meeting.
  - ChrisSD 7y ago
    The UK feel so strongly about Huawei that they're getting them to help expand their 5G network.
    - ealexhudson 7y ago
      That's not true; they're at least going to be ring-fenced and there's no evidence yet that they will be allowed to supply 5G at all. All the UK has said is that they believe the risks can be managed for some equipment.
      - ChrisSD 7y ago
        The leak said they could help build infrastructure like antennas and base stations. That's far from being banned.
  - A2017U1 7y ago
    As an Australian can I share the opinion that our leadership would literally jump off a bridge if the US government said it was a good idea. We have a long and storied history of making bad decisions to appease greater powers.
  - luckylion 7y ago
    > Actually it's about security as well. Since you name the "five eyes" countries. Is it because Huawei's products make it harder to spy on the population?
- consumer451 7y ago
  > Because this is mostly not about security In my view, it is absolutely about security, and much more broad than "spying." China is absolutely an adversary of the USA. If you give your adversary control of a national asset such as the entire wireless network, then you are a fool. I am no fan of Trump, but holy crap did we allow our security interests to get dominated by business interests in the past. One great example is that for unknown reasons, we allow Chinese POPs in Canada, however there is certainly no western POPs allowed in China. Here is a story about Canada-to-Canada data being routed through China via a Chinese POP. [0] I remember it being discuss on HN, but now I can't find it. [0]https://toronto.citynews.ca/2019/01/31/israeli-cyberexpert-detects-china-hack-in-ottawa-warns-against-using-huawei-5g/ https://toronto.citynews.ca/2019/01/31/israeli-cyberexpert-d...
  - risent 7y ago
    If I support your opinion, I should also support China gov had done before for Google and others.
  - msiyer 7y ago
    China is an adversary? Tell me this when Apple packs up and leaves China for good. And Google stops seeing China as a market. And ... Multi-national corporations are what they are because they have no loyalty to any country. Profit is the god they worship. Giving our national assets to any multi-national corporation is foolishness.
    - cinquemb 7y ago
      Well I guess its a good thing that Apple is selling less and less phones anyways before this trade war™ mess, might make it easier to leave, their new product is selling credit!
    - consumer451 7y ago
      > China is an adversary? Tell me this when Apple packs up and leaves China for good. Are you not able to separate a nation's business interests from its national security interests? Can you not imagine how the two could easily be in conflict? I am truly dumbfounded by this view. I don't even know where to begin.
NotPaidToPost 7y ago
Because it's really about destroying China's growing influence.
- rqs 7y ago
  I won't agreed with this a few months ago, but more and more Chinese companies is receiving this kind of treatment. The reason maybe not the same, but the results are, Hikvision is a clear example, even DJI got their name mentioned (I mean, DJI, a toy maker, really?). So yeah, I guess everything is eventually boil down to that.
zwaps 7y ago
Because thats not enough. Huawei has been stealing IP, is a part of the party and has been caught spying for them, for example in thr Netherlands. They do not play by the rules, which is why they became a big competitor in the market. Treat them like a normal company, and you will have a chinese state company monopolist eventually. See Boeing and Airbus, where state intervention was a fraction of what Huawei gets. Finally, foreign companies are not free to do business in China, why should chinese companies be free to do so here? Edit: to give an example. Firms in China rarely license correctly for domestic sales, merely for export. No other nominally developed country with so many manufacturers would get away with that. Imagine Germany not licensing for cars they sell in Europe. So what now? Huawei has lost access to many licenses, such as cpu, memory, sd cards and whatnot. Do you think they will stop making phones? No. They will ignore it, and grt backed by the CCP. In China, this will have no impact. What SHOULD happen as a reaction is to ban Huawei entirely, and come after other Chinese ccp backed companies next. Because if you ignore the rules of the market, you should not participate in it.
- NotPaidToPost 7y ago
  They have not been caught spying for the party and they are not part of government. These are outright lies. Please don't fall for the transparent disinformation spread by some media, and unfortunately by some commenters on HN.
  - threeseed 7y ago
    They have been caught stealing IP and using stolen IP for a while now. Huawei Mate X being a classic example.
    - yorwba 7y ago
      That's not evidence of spying for the party, it's evidence of others spying for them... I'm not sure whether someone in the Chinese intelligence services could easily get Huawei to assist with espionage if doing so might hurt the profits of someone higher up in the hierarchy.
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fhars 7y ago

Because this is mostly not about security, but about trade war and protectionism.

threeseed 7y ago
Actually it's about security as well. There is a reason that countries like Australia, NZ, UK etc have either banned the company outright or had to take measures to ring fence their products.
- cdmckay 7y ago
  Care to share those reasons? Because Australia, for example, decided to ban Huawei in a closed door national security meeting.
- ChrisSD 7y ago
  The UK feel so strongly about Huawei that they're getting them to help expand their 5G network.
  - ealexhudson 7y ago
    That's not true; they're at least going to be ring-fenced and there's no evidence yet that they will be allowed to supply 5G at all. All the UK has said is that they believe the risks can be managed for some equipment.
    - ChrisSD 7y ago
      The leak said they could help build infrastructure like antennas and base stations. That's far from being banned.
- A2017U1 7y ago
  As an Australian can I share the opinion that our leadership would literally jump off a bridge if the US government said it was a good idea. We have a long and storied history of making bad decisions to appease greater powers.
- luckylion 7y ago
  > Actually it's about security as well. Since you name the "five eyes" countries. Is it because Huawei's products make it harder to spy on the population?
consumer451 7y ago
> Because this is mostly not about security In my view, it is absolutely about security, and much more broad than "spying." China is absolutely an adversary of the USA. If you give your adversary control of a national asset such as the entire wireless network, then you are a fool. I am no fan of Trump, but holy crap did we allow our security interests to get dominated by business interests in the past. One great example is that for unknown reasons, we allow Chinese POPs in Canada, however there is certainly no western POPs allowed in China. Here is a story about Canada-to-Canada data being routed through China via a Chinese POP. [0] I remember it being discuss on HN, but now I can't find it. [0]https://toronto.citynews.ca/2019/01/31/israeli-cyberexpert-detects-china-hack-in-ottawa-warns-against-using-huawei-5g/ https://toronto.citynews.ca/2019/01/31/israeli-cyberexpert-d...
- risent 7y ago
  If I support your opinion, I should also support China gov had done before for Google and others.
- msiyer 7y ago
  China is an adversary? Tell me this when Apple packs up and leaves China for good. And Google stops seeing China as a market. And ... Multi-national corporations are what they are because they have no loyalty to any country. Profit is the god they worship. Giving our national assets to any multi-national corporation is foolishness.
  - cinquemb 7y ago
    Well I guess its a good thing that Apple is selling less and less phones anyways before this trade war™ mess, might make it easier to leave, their new product is selling credit!
  - consumer451 7y ago
    > China is an adversary? Tell me this when Apple packs up and leaves China for good. Are you not able to separate a nation's business interests from its national security interests? Can you not imagine how the two could easily be in conflict? I am truly dumbfounded by this view. I don't even know where to begin.

NotPaidToPost 7y ago

Because it's really about destroying China's growing influence.

rqs 7y ago
I won't agreed with this a few months ago, but more and more Chinese companies is receiving this kind of treatment. The reason maybe not the same, but the results are, Hikvision is a clear example, even DJI got their name mentioned (I mean, DJI, a toy maker, really?). So yeah, I guess everything is eventually boil down to that.

zwaps 7y ago

Because thats not enough. Huawei has been stealing IP, is a part of the party and has been caught spying for them, for example in thr Netherlands. They do not play by the rules, which is why they became a big competitor in the market. Treat them like a normal company, and you will have a chinese state company monopolist eventually. See Boeing and Airbus, where state intervention was a fraction of what Huawei gets. Finally, foreign companies are not free to do business in China, why should chinese companies be free to do so here? Edit: to give an example. Firms in China rarely license correctly for domestic sales, merely for export. No other nominally developed country with so many manufacturers would get away with that. Imagine Germany not licensing for cars they sell in Europe. So what now? Huawei has lost access to many licenses, such as cpu, memory, sd cards and whatnot. Do you think they will stop making phones? No. They will ignore it, and grt backed by the CCP. In China, this will have no impact. What SHOULD happen as a reaction is to ban Huawei entirely, and come after other Chinese ccp backed companies next. Because if you ignore the rules of the market, you should not participate in it.

NotPaidToPost 7y ago
They have not been caught spying for the party and they are not part of government. These are outright lies. Please don't fall for the transparent disinformation spread by some media, and unfortunately by some commenters on HN.
- threeseed 7y ago
  They have been caught stealing IP and using stolen IP for a while now. Huawei Mate X being a classic example.
  - yorwba 7y ago
    That's not evidence of spying for the party, it's evidence of others spying for them... I'm not sure whether someone in the Chinese intelligence services could easily get Huawei to assist with espionage if doing so might hurt the profits of someone higher up in the hierarchy.
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