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Stories like this make you question whether it's worth being paid all this money to spend your life staring at a screen in a climate-controlled cube solving abs

Stories like this make you question whether it's worth being paid all this money to spend your life staring at a screen in a climate-controlled cube solving abstract problems that provide approximately zero benefit to your family, friends, and neighbors.

callesgg 7y ago
It's not and you know it. But yet here we are.
- toomuchtodo 7y ago
  Everyone finds their freedom when they're ready to.
  - unixhero 7y ago
    What's that? Secret Life of Walter Mitty? I live for my long holidays.
maxxxxx 7y ago
Agreed. Sometimes I feel like I am wasting my life solving business problems I don’t really care about and nobody close to me understands even remotely.
- pknopf 7y ago
  This is all very depressing. I got a kid on the way too, I need to reinvent myself.
- macspoofing 7y ago
  There was a local reporter who went undercover to do an expose on the temp-agency market and worked a few days on the factory line at a food supplier. Her verdict: It wasn't very fun. Grass is always greener. People also tend to want their jobs to provide meaning to their lives. That is a luxury. For most people, a job is something you do to enable the rest of your life.
  - noir_lord 7y ago
    I've worked in factories and greenhouses (they tie for first place in awfulness, in factories it was 12 hour shifts in full PPE dipping steel ladders into hot degreaser - in greenhouses it was 10-12 hour shifts in 50C+ heat). Neither was fun but they are very different to a 9 hour stint programming, when I worked physical jobs I could go home, have a shower and still had the energy to go out socialising where now when I get in I just want to veg with a book as I'm mentally spent. Some of it might be to do with age but I switched careers in my mid-20's and it was the same at the start of my programming career. It doesn't get easier, you just get better.
    - maxxxxx 7y ago
      "now when I get in I just want to veg with a book as I'm mentally spent." That's me. I think it's age but a job where I am more active and/or outside would help for sure. When I worked as mechanical engineer I often had to go to the workshop which already was a nice break from the desk. There were also physical things to handle which is good for the soul. Now I am always at the desk or meeting rooms and everything is abstract.
    - badpun 7y ago
      You’re lucky, I pretty much have energy for books only in the weekend (unless it’s something really easy and interesting), on weekdays books are usually too taxing for my post-coding mental state.
  - TeMPOraL 7y ago
    > People also tend to want their jobs to provide meaning to their lives. That is a luxury. For most people, a job is something you do to enable the rest of your life. This desire is a coping mechanism. Because the latter view, that the job is just to pay for your life, makes you discover that it also robs you out of all of it. Even the 9-5 job is way more than 50% of your wake time, after accounting for commute and energy drain.
- badpun 7y ago
  Read Bukowski’s „Post Office”. In his account, working in the post office, or as a mailman in the field, was hell.
  - ska 7y ago
    I'm not sure I would take Bukowski's take as normative on anything at all.
ImADemocRat 7y ago
Lol, you sheltered idiots are unreal
sparrish 7y ago
It's realizations like this that drove me to working from home 10 years ago. I get to do the geeky work I love, eat lunch with my wife and kids, and my commute is a flight of stairs. I don't think I could ever go back into an office.
- mgkimsal 7y ago
  that still seems like a climate controlled cube, just... maybe bigger?
  - Bakary 7y ago
    The Earth itself is a climate controlled geoid, although the climate control systems may not remain operational for long.
    - Jitnaught_ 7y ago
      It will remain functional, although its parameters are changing.
      - mgkimsal 7y ago
        i think the promise it used to return is changing as well...
  - sparrish 7y ago
    Did you miss the part of the article where he describes his LLV (mail delivery vehicle) as an 'oven' in the summer. I'll stick to my bigger climate controlled cube filled with my loved ones.
ken 7y ago
Even though I cancel and unsubscribe from everything I can, 95% of what I receive in the mail is paper spam. If I didn't still receive paper paychecks, it'd be even higher. I recognize there's value in having a postal system, but in practice almost everything I receive goes straight in the shredder. It's been taken over by spammers. It's another system that provides real value to a lot of people, but seems to only be financially sustainable because of advertising. Where's the Plan for this Spam?
- phkahler 7y ago
  IMHO regular mail is subsidizing all the junk mail. They offer bulk rates based on the assumption that delivery is already paid for.
  - sxates 7y ago
    It's actually the other way around. The junk mail is paying for your mailman to come by every day. The $.50 for a stamp doesn't cover the cost of delivering a letter.
    - dawnerd 7y ago
      Also people paying retail rate for packages help offset as well. I've been shipping a lot recently and it's crazy the price difference.
  - skinnymuch 7y ago
    It’s common to say junk mail subsidizes normal mail. I don’t know if it’s true, but it makes sense.
- dominotw 7y ago
  And a large portion of those spam are malicious scams. Mail that say "confidential" , "open immediately" in red ink, fake credit cards, fake checks ect.
  - danso 7y ago
tide_ad 7y ago
People making $25-$250/hr: People making $12/hr: where are we going next! let's live life and quit our jobs and get a new one when we get back
xbryanx 7y ago
You can do that job, and have it be enormously beneficial to your family, friends, and neighbors. Find those jobs.
lazyjones 7y ago
How did you end up choosing to do this? Some of us took this path because we didn't get along with people.
- pknopf 7y ago
  I'm starting to realize I'm not good with people either. I've got a problem with everyone and everyone has a problem with me.
  - sol_invictus 7y ago
    This forum is very hard science, measurement, real-world - but I've extracted great joy and peace in some of the more eastern, buddhist-type teachings. Building compassion towards other people needs to start by being compassionate towards yourself. You don't need to buy into the dogma, but some of the buddhist authors have developed great mental practices of dealing with fear, for instance. As an example author, I thoroughly recommend Thich Nhat Hanh. Self-compassion also has great benefits in the business world, as you learn to understand and listen to your counterparts better, instead of being driven by a selfish agenda. This is, of course, just a by-product and not the main dish.
- lm28469 7y ago
  Most people don't really chose consciously. We just follow what we're told until it seems too late to deviate from the course. I personally ended up in IT because "why not it pays well and I like computers", I wasn't the same person when I chose that path and now I'm actively trying to figure a reasonable way out. > There are only a few who control themselves and their affairs by a guiding purpose; the rest do not proceed; they are merely swept along, like objects afloat in a river. And of these objects, some are held back by sluggish waters and are transported gently; others are torn along by a more violent current; some, which are nearest the bank, are left there as the current slackens; and others are carried out to sea by the onrush of the stream. Therefore, we should decide what we wish, and abide by the decision. - Seneca
  - lazyjones 7y ago
petra 7y ago
It's not about the job. This guy, probably, isn't valued because he delivers packages. My guess is that he's valued because of his ability to connect with people, and his infectious happiness.
- griffinkelly 7y ago
  If there were a perfect job, we'd all be doing it?
- mcescalante 7y ago
  This. I was just reading some messages on the gofundme for his vacation (mentioned in thread) and one of the families on his route said that he remembers every childs names, even after they have left the house, which to me is something you would only expect of a good friend. It seems like he is just a genuinely good guy who cares about these people and as you said, has the ability to connect with them on a level that most people don't.
  - retiredcoder 7y ago
    Or maybe he didn’t have to go thru daily stand-ups and have to say how many letters will be delivered today. Just kidding, kudos for him and some people are indeed gifted to make friends and connections intuitively. On the other hand, there are jobs that make connecting to other people harder if not impossible. I used to work for Microsoft during the poignant stack rank time and it was utterly hard to build trust with anyone. I never played that game but competition was part of the culture and it ruined genuine relationships at any level.
    - njepa 7y ago
      Absolutely. I am all for making the best of things, but the conditions have to support it as well. Today more and more things are temporary, from doctors and workplace to where you live. Of course it is hard to make those connections. Especially since it also gets even harder as less people have them. That is why it always annoyed me when people say things like "just move", "just quit" or "it isn't a right to ...".
onion2k 7y ago
If you'd started 35 years ago you could have had a decent quality of life earning a living as a mailman. If you're starting out now you'll probably need a second job to make ends meet if you're in an expensive part of the country..
- hirundo 7y ago
  Entry level mail carrier makes an average of $35k. It goes up to $55k after 20 years. That's around $17.50 to $27.50 per hour. That's not wealth, but it isn't poverty either. https://www.payscale.com/research/US/Job=Postal_Service_Mail_Carrier/Hourly_Rate https://www.payscale.com/research/US/Job=Postal_Service_Mail...
  - bluedino 7y ago
    Thanks to Amazon, you can get all the overtime you want right now. The problem with the new jobs at the postal service is that everyone gets brought in for the first ~ year as a temp of sorts. The hiring process is full of nepotism as well. Also, unfair or not, veterans get hiring priority as well.
  - seanmcdirmid 7y ago
    My grandfather raised a family of eight kids on a mail carrier salary in Walla Walla after he got back from WW2. He sent them to private catholic school as well, I really don’t get how he did that.
  - deleted 7y ago
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mattmaroon 7y ago
Can tell you I got out of the office and it's done wonders for my mood. Humans weren't meant to sit indoors all day every day. We just weren't.
outside1234 7y ago
Work on improving the day the folks in your cube farm have in simple ways and you will have just as big a following when you leave as this gentleman. This is not about him being a postman or doing "real world" work - its about him prioritizing making time for the people that are part of his job.
snarf21 7y ago
You need to separate your work from your purpose. Think of work as merely collecting resources to maintain life. Get a hobby or volunteer at a charity and find purpose there. I've been much happier with putting my "self" into designing and testing board games. I forget about the dumpster fire after I leave and focus my energy on something I enjoy creating.
- zackbloom 7y ago
  This is a little dystopian to me. You absolutely can have a job which pays you to build things you think matter.
  - badpun 7y ago
    How many coders can have such jobs? 5%? 10%? Probably not more... For the rest of us, you either find satisfaction in the craft itself, or outside work.
- lm28469 7y ago
  > Think of work as merely collecting resources to maintain life. Work related tasks are 50%+ of you awake time so it's kind of hard to forget about it. I could work 2 days a week while keeping my lifestyle but it's next to impossible to find a stable job allowing that schedule.
- PascLeRasc 7y ago
  I agree with the sentiment somewhat, but when we're spending the majority of our waking days at the "dumpster fire" and just a few hours doing what we love, it feels wrong and depressing.
- claudiulodro 7y ago
  https://www.theonion.com/find-the-thing-youre-most-passionate-about-then-do-it-1819584843 https://www.theonion.com/find-the-thing-youre-most-passionat...
- rdiddly 7y ago
  I'll go ya one better and say maybe forget your purpose entirely. Not in a negative, nihilistic way, but in kind of a Zenny way. You think Floyd here thinks about his purpose? Well actually it seems like he has decided "my purpose is to care for these people on my route," so maybe that's a bad example for my point. Although it's worth noticing, HE decided that. Which proves, it's totally arbitrary. Meaning is wherever you ascribe it (and probably nowhere else). Mainly the idea is not to let "purpose" be a logjam that stops you. Life will happen to you regardless. Lately I've been trying to free myself from the endless quest for (please use whiny voice, knit brow earnestly, hold upturned fists close in front of you, and wiggle them slightly while saying) meeeaning. It stymied me for a long time. But it has to be seen for the ego trip it is. It's a "get over yourself" moment. Rein in that fanciful and conceited ego that's always wondering what great and high purpose your magnificent and important soul was cut out for. All that pressure! Letting go of it is a bit of a death (ego death). But jeez what a relief. It frees you to do whatever you want, which ironically is the only way you might actually end up going on to do something worthwhile. (Worthwhile according to you.)
aqme28 7y ago
Reading the replies to this is really disheartening. I assume many of you are software engineers. The job market is _great_ for us. Please take the time to find a job that you think matters for more than just acquiring money. There are plenty out there and they're probably struggling to hire too.
PopeDotNinja 7y ago
If your job is to sit in a dark closet & stare at a wall, is that job a waste of your life if you LOVE it? It's up to you to decide. Personally, I would hate being a mail carrier for many reasons, one of which would be thinking of myself as a 90% junk mail flinger. I love writing code, and I spend almost no time questioning the value of reimplementing a certain type of feature for the bajillionth time if that is what the job requires.
macspoofing 7y ago
Grass is always greener - though this is the first time I see someone envious of mail delivery. It's a job.
lqet 7y ago
I used to think that way. Then my daughter was born. As long as my job provides money (and thus food and shelter for her), I don't really care anymore :) https://statics.memondo.com/p/s1/crs/2018/08/CR_1073587_391db4c0653f44159562c166898b244a_ya_no_se_hacen_capitulos_como_estos.jpg?cb=362720 https://statics.memondo.com/p/s1/crs/2018/08/CR_1073587_391d...
jaabe 7y ago
It wasn’t for me, so I went into public service and the management/business focused side of digitalisation. The pay isn’t great, but we do get opportunities to work with cutting edge tech because every change doesn’t need to be billed by the hour.
therealdrag0 7y ago
I have worked with people in tech who have this guys personality/attitude. They are friendly and personable with everyone they meet in the office. It's lazy/wrong to think that it's the jobs fault that you don't have rich connections with those around you. If we want this we need to help be like this. We need to be the change we want to see :)

callesgg 7y ago

It's not and you know it. But yet here we are.

toomuchtodo 7y ago
Everyone finds their freedom when they're ready to.
- unixhero 7y ago
  What's that? Secret Life of Walter Mitty? I live for my long holidays.

maxxxxx 7y ago

Agreed. Sometimes I feel like I am wasting my life solving business problems I don’t really care about and nobody close to me understands even remotely.

pknopf 7y ago
This is all very depressing. I got a kid on the way too, I need to reinvent myself.
macspoofing 7y ago
There was a local reporter who went undercover to do an expose on the temp-agency market and worked a few days on the factory line at a food supplier. Her verdict: It wasn't very fun. Grass is always greener. People also tend to want their jobs to provide meaning to their lives. That is a luxury. For most people, a job is something you do to enable the rest of your life.
- noir_lord 7y ago
  I've worked in factories and greenhouses (they tie for first place in awfulness, in factories it was 12 hour shifts in full PPE dipping steel ladders into hot degreaser - in greenhouses it was 10-12 hour shifts in 50C+ heat). Neither was fun but they are very different to a 9 hour stint programming, when I worked physical jobs I could go home, have a shower and still had the energy to go out socialising where now when I get in I just want to veg with a book as I'm mentally spent. Some of it might be to do with age but I switched careers in my mid-20's and it was the same at the start of my programming career. It doesn't get easier, you just get better.
  - maxxxxx 7y ago
    "now when I get in I just want to veg with a book as I'm mentally spent." That's me. I think it's age but a job where I am more active and/or outside would help for sure. When I worked as mechanical engineer I often had to go to the workshop which already was a nice break from the desk. There were also physical things to handle which is good for the soul. Now I am always at the desk or meeting rooms and everything is abstract.
  - badpun 7y ago
    You’re lucky, I pretty much have energy for books only in the weekend (unless it’s something really easy and interesting), on weekdays books are usually too taxing for my post-coding mental state.
- TeMPOraL 7y ago
  > People also tend to want their jobs to provide meaning to their lives. That is a luxury. For most people, a job is something you do to enable the rest of your life. This desire is a coping mechanism. Because the latter view, that the job is just to pay for your life, makes you discover that it also robs you out of all of it. Even the 9-5 job is way more than 50% of your wake time, after accounting for commute and energy drain.
badpun 7y ago
Read Bukowski’s „Post Office”. In his account, working in the post office, or as a mailman in the field, was hell.
- ska 7y ago
  I'm not sure I would take Bukowski's take as normative on anything at all.

ImADemocRat 7y ago

Lol, you sheltered idiots are unreal

sparrish 7y ago

It's realizations like this that drove me to working from home 10 years ago. I get to do the geeky work I love, eat lunch with my wife and kids, and my commute is a flight of stairs. I don't think I could ever go back into an office.

mgkimsal 7y ago
that still seems like a climate controlled cube, just... maybe bigger?
- Bakary 7y ago
  The Earth itself is a climate controlled geoid, although the climate control systems may not remain operational for long.
  - Jitnaught_ 7y ago
    It will remain functional, although its parameters are changing.
    - mgkimsal 7y ago
      i think the promise it used to return is changing as well...
- sparrish 7y ago
  Did you miss the part of the article where he describes his LLV (mail delivery vehicle) as an 'oven' in the summer. I'll stick to my bigger climate controlled cube filled with my loved ones.

ken 7y ago

Even though I cancel and unsubscribe from everything I can, 95% of what I receive in the mail is paper spam. If I didn't still receive paper paychecks, it'd be even higher. I recognize there's value in having a postal system, but in practice almost everything I receive goes straight in the shredder. It's been taken over by spammers. It's another system that provides real value to a lot of people, but seems to only be financially sustainable because of advertising. Where's the Plan for this Spam?

phkahler 7y ago
IMHO regular mail is subsidizing all the junk mail. They offer bulk rates based on the assumption that delivery is already paid for.
- sxates 7y ago
  It's actually the other way around. The junk mail is paying for your mailman to come by every day. The $.50 for a stamp doesn't cover the cost of delivering a letter.
  - dawnerd 7y ago
    Also people paying retail rate for packages help offset as well. I've been shipping a lot recently and it's crazy the price difference.
- skinnymuch 7y ago
  It’s common to say junk mail subsidizes normal mail. I don’t know if it’s true, but it makes sense.
dominotw 7y ago
And a large portion of those spam are malicious scams. Mail that say "confidential" , "open immediately" in red ink, fake credit cards, fake checks ect.
- danso 7y ago

tide_ad 7y ago

People making $25-$250/hr: People making $12/hr: where are we going next! let's live life and quit our jobs and get a new one when we get back

xbryanx 7y ago

You can do that job, and have it be enormously beneficial to your family, friends, and neighbors. Find those jobs.

lazyjones 7y ago

How did you end up choosing to do this? Some of us took this path because we didn't get along with people.

pknopf 7y ago
I'm starting to realize I'm not good with people either. I've got a problem with everyone and everyone has a problem with me.
- sol_invictus 7y ago
  This forum is very hard science, measurement, real-world - but I've extracted great joy and peace in some of the more eastern, buddhist-type teachings. Building compassion towards other people needs to start by being compassionate towards yourself. You don't need to buy into the dogma, but some of the buddhist authors have developed great mental practices of dealing with fear, for instance. As an example author, I thoroughly recommend Thich Nhat Hanh. Self-compassion also has great benefits in the business world, as you learn to understand and listen to your counterparts better, instead of being driven by a selfish agenda. This is, of course, just a by-product and not the main dish.
lm28469 7y ago
Most people don't really chose consciously. We just follow what we're told until it seems too late to deviate from the course. I personally ended up in IT because "why not it pays well and I like computers", I wasn't the same person when I chose that path and now I'm actively trying to figure a reasonable way out. > There are only a few who control themselves and their affairs by a guiding purpose; the rest do not proceed; they are merely swept along, like objects afloat in a river. And of these objects, some are held back by sluggish waters and are transported gently; others are torn along by a more violent current; some, which are nearest the bank, are left there as the current slackens; and others are carried out to sea by the onrush of the stream. Therefore, we should decide what we wish, and abide by the decision. - Seneca
- lazyjones 7y ago

petra 7y ago

It's not about the job. This guy, probably, isn't valued because he delivers packages. My guess is that he's valued because of his ability to connect with people, and his infectious happiness.

griffinkelly 7y ago
If there were a perfect job, we'd all be doing it?
mcescalante 7y ago
This. I was just reading some messages on the gofundme for his vacation (mentioned in thread) and one of the families on his route said that he remembers every childs names, even after they have left the house, which to me is something you would only expect of a good friend. It seems like he is just a genuinely good guy who cares about these people and as you said, has the ability to connect with them on a level that most people don't.
- retiredcoder 7y ago
  Or maybe he didn’t have to go thru daily stand-ups and have to say how many letters will be delivered today. Just kidding, kudos for him and some people are indeed gifted to make friends and connections intuitively. On the other hand, there are jobs that make connecting to other people harder if not impossible. I used to work for Microsoft during the poignant stack rank time and it was utterly hard to build trust with anyone. I never played that game but competition was part of the culture and it ruined genuine relationships at any level.
  - njepa 7y ago
    Absolutely. I am all for making the best of things, but the conditions have to support it as well. Today more and more things are temporary, from doctors and workplace to where you live. Of course it is hard to make those connections. Especially since it also gets even harder as less people have them. That is why it always annoyed me when people say things like "just move", "just quit" or "it isn't a right to ...".

onion2k 7y ago

If you'd started 35 years ago you could have had a decent quality of life earning a living as a mailman. If you're starting out now you'll probably need a second job to make ends meet if you're in an expensive part of the country..

hirundo 7y ago
Entry level mail carrier makes an average of $35k. It goes up to $55k after 20 years. That's around $17.50 to $27.50 per hour. That's not wealth, but it isn't poverty either. https://www.payscale.com/research/US/Job=Postal_Service_Mail_Carrier/Hourly_Rate https://www.payscale.com/research/US/Job=Postal_Service_Mail...
- bluedino 7y ago
  Thanks to Amazon, you can get all the overtime you want right now. The problem with the new jobs at the postal service is that everyone gets brought in for the first ~ year as a temp of sorts. The hiring process is full of nepotism as well. Also, unfair or not, veterans get hiring priority as well.
- seanmcdirmid 7y ago
  My grandfather raised a family of eight kids on a mail carrier salary in Walla Walla after he got back from WW2. He sent them to private catholic school as well, I really don’t get how he did that.
- deleted 7y ago
  [deleted]

mattmaroon 7y ago

Can tell you I got out of the office and it's done wonders for my mood. Humans weren't meant to sit indoors all day every day. We just weren't.

outside1234 7y ago

Work on improving the day the folks in your cube farm have in simple ways and you will have just as big a following when you leave as this gentleman. This is not about him being a postman or doing "real world" work - its about him prioritizing making time for the people that are part of his job.

snarf21 7y ago

You need to separate your work from your purpose. Think of work as merely collecting resources to maintain life. Get a hobby or volunteer at a charity and find purpose there. I've been much happier with putting my "self" into designing and testing board games. I forget about the dumpster fire after I leave and focus my energy on something I enjoy creating.

zackbloom 7y ago
This is a little dystopian to me. You absolutely can have a job which pays you to build things you think matter.
- badpun 7y ago
  How many coders can have such jobs? 5%? 10%? Probably not more... For the rest of us, you either find satisfaction in the craft itself, or outside work.
lm28469 7y ago
> Think of work as merely collecting resources to maintain life. Work related tasks are 50%+ of you awake time so it's kind of hard to forget about it. I could work 2 days a week while keeping my lifestyle but it's next to impossible to find a stable job allowing that schedule.
PascLeRasc 7y ago
I agree with the sentiment somewhat, but when we're spending the majority of our waking days at the "dumpster fire" and just a few hours doing what we love, it feels wrong and depressing.
claudiulodro 7y ago
https://www.theonion.com/find-the-thing-youre-most-passionate-about-then-do-it-1819584843 https://www.theonion.com/find-the-thing-youre-most-passionat...
rdiddly 7y ago
I'll go ya one better and say maybe forget your purpose entirely. Not in a negative, nihilistic way, but in kind of a Zenny way. You think Floyd here thinks about his purpose? Well actually it seems like he has decided "my purpose is to care for these people on my route," so maybe that's a bad example for my point. Although it's worth noticing, HE decided that. Which proves, it's totally arbitrary. Meaning is wherever you ascribe it (and probably nowhere else). Mainly the idea is not to let "purpose" be a logjam that stops you. Life will happen to you regardless. Lately I've been trying to free myself from the endless quest for (please use whiny voice, knit brow earnestly, hold upturned fists close in front of you, and wiggle them slightly while saying) meeeaning. It stymied me for a long time. But it has to be seen for the ego trip it is. It's a "get over yourself" moment. Rein in that fanciful and conceited ego that's always wondering what great and high purpose your magnificent and important soul was cut out for. All that pressure! Letting go of it is a bit of a death (ego death). But jeez what a relief. It frees you to do whatever you want, which ironically is the only way you might actually end up going on to do something worthwhile. (Worthwhile according to you.)

aqme28 7y ago

Reading the replies to this is really disheartening. I assume many of you are software engineers. The job market is _great_ for us. Please take the time to find a job that you think matters for more than just acquiring money. There are plenty out there and they're probably struggling to hire too.

PopeDotNinja 7y ago

If your job is to sit in a dark closet & stare at a wall, is that job a waste of your life if you LOVE it? It's up to you to decide. Personally, I would hate being a mail carrier for many reasons, one of which would be thinking of myself as a 90% junk mail flinger. I love writing code, and I spend almost no time questioning the value of reimplementing a certain type of feature for the bajillionth time if that is what the job requires.

macspoofing 7y ago

Grass is always greener - though this is the first time I see someone envious of mail delivery. It's a job.

lqet 7y ago

I used to think that way. Then my daughter was born. As long as my job provides money (and thus food and shelter for her), I don't really care anymore :) https://statics.memondo.com/p/s1/crs/2018/08/CR_1073587_391db4c0653f44159562c166898b244a_ya_no_se_hacen_capitulos_como_estos.jpg?cb=362720 https://statics.memondo.com/p/s1/crs/2018/08/CR_1073587_391d...

jaabe 7y ago

It wasn’t for me, so I went into public service and the management/business focused side of digitalisation. The pay isn’t great, but we do get opportunities to work with cutting edge tech because every change doesn’t need to be billed by the hour.

therealdrag0 7y ago

I have worked with people in tech who have this guys personality/attitude. They are friendly and personable with everyone they meet in the office. It's lazy/wrong to think that it's the jobs fault that you don't have rich connections with those around you. If we want this we need to help be like this. We need to be the change we want to see :)