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Strongly agree with the body weight training, but also check out the bodyweightfitness subreddit [0] for good discussion and advice. They have a simple and conc

by txru 7y ago

Strongly agree with the body weight training, but also check out the bodyweightfitness subreddit [0] for good discussion and advice. They have a simple and concise starting routine [1] for people just starting out. There are also some mild critiques [2] of Convict Conditioning. It's very good for a very practical kind of strength, but you will likely not get big very fast, if that's what you're looking for. I've been doing it for two years almost continuously with no injuries. [0] https://www.reddit.com/r/bodyweightfitness/ https://www.reddit.com/r/bodyweightfitness/ [1] https://www.reddit.com/r/bodyweightfitness/wiki/kb/recommended_routine https://www.reddit.com/r/bodyweightfitness/wiki/kb/recommend... [2] https://www.reddit.com/r/bodyweightfitness/wiki/kb/program_reviews https://www.reddit.com/r/bodyweightfitness/wiki/kb/program_r...

mindgam3 7y ago
Sure. My interest is primarily practical strength, and by that I mean "ability to move my own body through space in practical real world situations, as opposed to sheer brute force". The end state is more “jacked” than big. Looking jacked is certainly an ego boost, but the confidence that comes from being able to stunts like one arm pull-ups + pushups, wall walking etc is by far the biggest win for me. Not quite there on the pull-ups/pushups but getting real close after about a year of training, building on a decent base. I just think gymnastics is bad-ass in general. I’ll check out those critiques. I will say though that there is a real philosophy explained in convict conditioning about avoiding injury, proper form etc that I found extremely helpful after my first try at getting big in the gym. [edits: fixed typo, defined what I mean by "practical" to avoid offending gym rats who can crush me with their 500 pound deadlifts]
- matwood 7y ago
  Bodyweight training is great (I often do it on rest days), but don't think that people pumping iron doing powerlifting are not 'practically' strong. When a person is dead lifting 500+ pounds or squatting 400+ they are strong anyway you slice it.
  - mindgam3 7y ago
    Seems a bit nitpicky to zero in on that one word, but okay, I added an edit. Strength is strength, I just tend to gravitate towards things that could help me in survival type situations.
    - phonypc 7y ago
      How do push-ups and pull-ups apply to survival situations?
      - mindgam3 7y ago
        Lol. Skeptics out in force today. Have you ever had to hang from or climb something? Or maybe slip and fall off a ledge? The ability to pull your body weight up seems like it could come in reasonably handy in certain situations.
    - matwood 7y ago
      The reason I zeroed in on the word practical is that it is used as a way to put down people doing something different than you. Now you’ve used survival type situations as another way to put others down. Body weight things are great, but they have limits. The best results are going to come from a mix of body weight, power lifting, and conditioning. Any lifting program I have ever done included pull ups, dips, and pushups. Weighted if possible. Also, if survival is really the focus, BJJ should be first above all else :)
      - mindgam3 7y ago
        Okay, that's a fair point and thanks for clarifying. To be clear, I'm not trying to put down all lifting - I agree with your point that best results come from a mix. My only problem with lifting culture is one particular subculture which emphasizes growth at all costs, steroids etc, which I find super dangerous and unhealthy. But I concede that I didn't make this clear with my original wording. Also agree about BJJ. Haven't tried it out yet but hope to start training soon.
- txru 7y ago
  For sure. There's the 'jacked' aesthetic, and there's being strong and capable in our own bodies alone. While those things are often found together, there are definitely times when one is lacking. Both are practical for doing what their goals are. Sometimes people want social signaling, sometimes they want community, sometimes they want skills. Gymnastics is awesome though. I wish there was more adult classes for general skills out there.
sridca 7y ago
Keep in mind that r/bodyweightfitness is biased towards active population ... and sedentary population would do well to follow a high-rep program like Convict Conditioning. See https://old.reddit.com/r/bodyweightfitness/comments/atv610/im_surprised_this_is_not_featured_in_the_rr/#form-t1_eh405onmus https://old.reddit.com/r/bodyweightfitness/comments/atv610/i...

by txru 7y ago

mindgam3 7y ago

Sure. My interest is primarily practical strength, and by that I mean "ability to move my own body through space in practical real world situations, as opposed to sheer brute force". The end state is more “jacked” than big. Looking jacked is certainly an ego boost, but the confidence that comes from being able to stunts like one arm pull-ups + pushups, wall walking etc is by far the biggest win for me. Not quite there on the pull-ups/pushups but getting real close after about a year of training, building on a decent base. I just think gymnastics is bad-ass in general. I’ll check out those critiques. I will say though that there is a real philosophy explained in convict conditioning about avoiding injury, proper form etc that I found extremely helpful after my first try at getting big in the gym. [edits: fixed typo, defined what I mean by "practical" to avoid offending gym rats who can crush me with their 500 pound deadlifts]

matwood 7y ago
Bodyweight training is great (I often do it on rest days), but don't think that people pumping iron doing powerlifting are not 'practically' strong. When a person is dead lifting 500+ pounds or squatting 400+ they are strong anyway you slice it.
- mindgam3 7y ago
  Seems a bit nitpicky to zero in on that one word, but okay, I added an edit. Strength is strength, I just tend to gravitate towards things that could help me in survival type situations.
  - phonypc 7y ago
    How do push-ups and pull-ups apply to survival situations?
    - mindgam3 7y ago
      Lol. Skeptics out in force today. Have you ever had to hang from or climb something? Or maybe slip and fall off a ledge? The ability to pull your body weight up seems like it could come in reasonably handy in certain situations.
  - matwood 7y ago
    The reason I zeroed in on the word practical is that it is used as a way to put down people doing something different than you. Now you’ve used survival type situations as another way to put others down. Body weight things are great, but they have limits. The best results are going to come from a mix of body weight, power lifting, and conditioning. Any lifting program I have ever done included pull ups, dips, and pushups. Weighted if possible. Also, if survival is really the focus, BJJ should be first above all else :)
    - mindgam3 7y ago
      Okay, that's a fair point and thanks for clarifying. To be clear, I'm not trying to put down all lifting - I agree with your point that best results come from a mix. My only problem with lifting culture is one particular subculture which emphasizes growth at all costs, steroids etc, which I find super dangerous and unhealthy. But I concede that I didn't make this clear with my original wording. Also agree about BJJ. Haven't tried it out yet but hope to start training soon.
txru 7y ago
For sure. There's the 'jacked' aesthetic, and there's being strong and capable in our own bodies alone. While those things are often found together, there are definitely times when one is lacking. Both are practical for doing what their goals are. Sometimes people want social signaling, sometimes they want community, sometimes they want skills. Gymnastics is awesome though. I wish there was more adult classes for general skills out there.

sridca 7y ago

Keep in mind that r/bodyweightfitness is biased towards active population ... and sedentary population would do well to follow a high-rep program like Convict Conditioning. See https://old.reddit.com/r/bodyweightfitness/comments/atv610/im_surprised_this_is_not_featured_in_the_rr/#form-t1_eh405onmus https://old.reddit.com/r/bodyweightfitness/comments/atv610/i...