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I'm curious to see how passengers will react to flying via 737-max. Will ticket prices be lowered to reflect the inevitable wariness of flying in one again?

by yaseer 7y ago

the_dege 7y ago
Normal passengers won't even notice that they are flying in a 747 max.
- xiphias2 7y ago
  People are irrationally careful when it comes to flying. And in this case even a rational person wouldn't fly a 737 Max. I'm sure the demand problem will be felt by the airlines.
- objektif 7y ago
  There are now multiple apps that tell you which model of aircraft you are booking.
- __m 7y ago
  Well, i am a normal passenger and wouldn't fly in one in the first place. I could tell the difference by the feeling of plunging from thousands of feet into the ground, it's very subtle, but even noticeable by the layman
- swarnie_ 7y ago
  You can look up the plane your due to fly on online using the flight number.
marsRoverDev 7y ago
Passengers as a whole don't have any idea what is going on and have the memory of an amnesiac goldfish. They also don't have the ability to differentiate between planes in general, so this is probably just as likely to affect their perceptions of the A320.
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- oldjokes 7y ago
  This is completely wrong, and there is plenty of data that says so. Especially when you start talking about business and frequent travelers, they are notoriously picky and will cancel flights based on a plane class or even when a specific aircraft usually does the route. https://www.businessinsider.com/americans-dont-want-to-fly-boeing-737-max-survey-2019-3 https://www.businessinsider.com/americans-dont-want-to-fly-b... "If you had a flight on a Boeing 737 Max next week, and the FAA decided to clear the aircraft for flight, given the issues the plane has experienced, what would you do? 53.1% of respondents said they would reschedule. Of those, the survey found that 18.7% of respondents would reschedule their flight only if it didn't require a fee. Another 4.4% of respondents said they would pay to reschedule their flight up to a certain monetary fee, which they then typed in. A full 30% of people would cancel or reschedule their flights, regardless of the cost to them"
  - TheAlchemist 7y ago
    That's a bad interpretation of this survey. The initial question should be - have you ever checked what aircraft you will be flying ? 99% of passengers have no idea.
    - oldjokes 7y ago
      I don't think this 99% figure is true based on my personal experiences, but even if it was accurate a few months ago it's not anymore. People sure as hell are paying attention to which plane they fly on now, because they have to. It wasn't really a concern in the past because Boeing and the FAA didn't appear to be failing. They have impressive mountains of data that they hid behind while just operating with staggering negligence and incompetence, day after day. I don't care how many agencies certify the max, I know way too much about it's design and how much pilots hate it now, I'm never flying on it.
      - 7y ago
SomeHacker44 7y ago
I will not fly the 737 MAX unless and until it has its own type certificate... and even then not for at least 3-4 years of commercial service under that condition. It is easy to see the scheduled type of aircraft when you book tickets.
- mft_ 7y ago
  I'd agree with you... but on some routes (note I'm in Europe) there is only one carrier, and only 1-2 flights per day. So that choice could mean the difference between flying and not flying. With such stark choices, I suspect convenience and/or necessity would win out quite quickly.
- darrenf 7y ago
  > It is easy to see the scheduled type of aircraft when you book tickets That's as maybe, but is far from guaranteed to remain as-is - and how many people maintain an ExpertFlyer membership and enter their itinerary for aircraft change alerts? Unless a seat changes†, IME most airlines don't proactively send out change alerts to passengers already booked when one aircraft is swapped for another. Furthermore I would sincerely doubt anyone's ability to extract a refund because the airline changed to a plane they weren't willing to board. † and even then it isn't guaranteed, and rarely do I notice the alerts highlighting the reason being an aircraft change
  - isostatic 7y ago
    Avoid airlines with 737-maxes on their list (unless the airline is clear they've grounded them) it's possible a last minute wet-lease could put you on a max, but it's unlikely.
- riffraff 7y ago
  > It is easy to see the scheduled type of aircraft when you book tickets. is it? I've never noticed it. I guess it's possible to infer it by the seat configuration when you get to choose it, but I never saw "you'll be flying XYZ" when I booked tickets in the past.
getaclue 7y ago
we are about to fly soon and literally the first thing I’ve thought (and my SO) was I hope it’s not this plane
- swarnie_ 7y ago
  Did exactly the same thing when i went away a few months back, my trip just after the second accident but not before the grounding i believe. Not sure what the options are if you get stuck on a plane you don't exactly want to be on. My trip just after the second accident but not before teh grounding.
- matwood 7y ago
  Airlines like Delta show very clearly what type of plane you're supposed to be on. Of course that could change because of maintenance issues, but it is easy to check at least what is scheduled.
Angostura 7y ago
I'm not sure I've ever been told what type of plane I'm flying in when I book - are you typically told?
- cr1895 7y ago
  I can always see the type of aircraft when booking a flight with KLM. I don't know if it's typical though.
- philjohn 7y ago
  BA tell you the model of plane that's scheduled when booking. I've actually selected a different flight a few hours after another so I would be on an A380 vs 747 because two hours extra waiting to come home is worth it for the comfort on a longer flight, and feeling more refreshed the other end, especially with a long drive back from the airport waiting for me.
- alkonaut 7y ago
  Depends on when you book and what fleet they have. The exact plane (individual) isn't assigned to your flight by the scheduling software at the booking date, if you book months in advance. It's a guess in that case, and it can change up to hours before the flight. So there is nothing that guarantees that the model specified on your booking will actually be used.
- ulfw 7y ago
  Nobody is being 'told'. But every booking system I've ever used, whether it's airline-direct or an agreggator shows aircraft model. Flightaware and others show it too if you just search for the flight number
jzwinck 7y ago
It would be unethical to do so explicitly ("Airline kills poor people"). It could happen automatically due to demand based pricing, but many people don't know the difference and would price the risk at zero. So I think it's "Mostly no."
alkonaut 7y ago
I'll have no problem flying in one as soon as the relevant authorities deem it safe enough. If I don't trust relevant authorities on what is safe and what isn't - why would I trust them when they say the next plane is safe? Also, since you can't know which flights are using which planes (usually), many carriers use thes planes interchangably with non-MAX (737-800s), and you can't use the choice of plane as a reason to get a refund on your ticket, avoiding these planes is likely expensive. You need to fly another route, pick an airline that isn't the cheapest for the leg you are flying and so on. I mean I'm as scared of crashing as the next guy but I'm not "5% more expensive trip"-scared.
- ulfw 7y ago
  The same "authorities" who told you before they were safe to fly? You have so much believe in authorities that even if proven they didn't do their job, you still trust in them with your life?
  - alkonaut 7y ago
    Yes, those authorities. Either I trust them and fly (ever) or I don't and you never fly. There is no middle ground here. If you fly on the A350 which is also new - you trust the FAA/EASA that they are safe to fly. If I don't trust FAA/EASA, I can never fly the new A350 either. In fact I can't fly on any plane, unless I adopt some strategy of only flying ones that have an established safety record (i.e. old planes). But even with those, I trust the authorities who ensure the training of the pilots is OK, that ATC works etc. They are the same authorities... They might not always do their job the way I want them to, but there are no other authorities in this case to go to for a second opinion.
    - ulfw 7y ago
      Please show me how EASA has outsourced certification to the manufacturer (Airbus) itself like FAA has done with Boeing Otherwise I have no idea how you could even remotely compare these two situations

I'm curious to see how passengers will react to flying via 737-max. Will ticket prices be lowered to reflect the inevitable wariness of flying in one again?

by yaseer 7y ago

I'm curious to see how passengers will react to flying via 737-max. Will ticket prices be lowered to reflect the inevitable wariness of flying in one again?

the_dege 7y ago

Normal passengers won't even notice that they are flying in a 747 max.

xiphias2 7y ago
People are irrationally careful when it comes to flying. And in this case even a rational person wouldn't fly a 737 Max. I'm sure the demand problem will be felt by the airlines.
objektif 7y ago
There are now multiple apps that tell you which model of aircraft you are booking.
__m 7y ago
Well, i am a normal passenger and wouldn't fly in one in the first place. I could tell the difference by the feeling of plunging from thousands of feet into the ground, it's very subtle, but even noticeable by the layman
swarnie_ 7y ago
You can look up the plane your due to fly on online using the flight number.

marsRoverDev 7y ago

Passengers as a whole don't have any idea what is going on and have the memory of an amnesiac goldfish. They also don't have the ability to differentiate between planes in general, so this is probably just as likely to affect their perceptions of the A320.

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oldjokes 7y ago
This is completely wrong, and there is plenty of data that says so. Especially when you start talking about business and frequent travelers, they are notoriously picky and will cancel flights based on a plane class or even when a specific aircraft usually does the route. https://www.businessinsider.com/americans-dont-want-to-fly-boeing-737-max-survey-2019-3 https://www.businessinsider.com/americans-dont-want-to-fly-b... "If you had a flight on a Boeing 737 Max next week, and the FAA decided to clear the aircraft for flight, given the issues the plane has experienced, what would you do? 53.1% of respondents said they would reschedule. Of those, the survey found that 18.7% of respondents would reschedule their flight only if it didn't require a fee. Another 4.4% of respondents said they would pay to reschedule their flight up to a certain monetary fee, which they then typed in. A full 30% of people would cancel or reschedule their flights, regardless of the cost to them"
- TheAlchemist 7y ago
  That's a bad interpretation of this survey. The initial question should be - have you ever checked what aircraft you will be flying ? 99% of passengers have no idea.
  - oldjokes 7y ago
    I don't think this 99% figure is true based on my personal experiences, but even if it was accurate a few months ago it's not anymore. People sure as hell are paying attention to which plane they fly on now, because they have to. It wasn't really a concern in the past because Boeing and the FAA didn't appear to be failing. They have impressive mountains of data that they hid behind while just operating with staggering negligence and incompetence, day after day. I don't care how many agencies certify the max, I know way too much about it's design and how much pilots hate it now, I'm never flying on it.
    - 7y ago

SomeHacker44 7y ago

I will not fly the 737 MAX unless and until it has its own type certificate... and even then not for at least 3-4 years of commercial service under that condition. It is easy to see the scheduled type of aircraft when you book tickets.

mft_ 7y ago
I'd agree with you... but on some routes (note I'm in Europe) there is only one carrier, and only 1-2 flights per day. So that choice could mean the difference between flying and not flying. With such stark choices, I suspect convenience and/or necessity would win out quite quickly.
darrenf 7y ago
> It is easy to see the scheduled type of aircraft when you book tickets That's as maybe, but is far from guaranteed to remain as-is - and how many people maintain an ExpertFlyer membership and enter their itinerary for aircraft change alerts? Unless a seat changes†, IME most airlines don't proactively send out change alerts to passengers already booked when one aircraft is swapped for another. Furthermore I would sincerely doubt anyone's ability to extract a refund because the airline changed to a plane they weren't willing to board. † and even then it isn't guaranteed, and rarely do I notice the alerts highlighting the reason being an aircraft change
- isostatic 7y ago
  Avoid airlines with 737-maxes on their list (unless the airline is clear they've grounded them) it's possible a last minute wet-lease could put you on a max, but it's unlikely.
riffraff 7y ago
> It is easy to see the scheduled type of aircraft when you book tickets. is it? I've never noticed it. I guess it's possible to infer it by the seat configuration when you get to choose it, but I never saw "you'll be flying XYZ" when I booked tickets in the past.

getaclue 7y ago

we are about to fly soon and literally the first thing I’ve thought (and my SO) was I hope it’s not this plane

swarnie_ 7y ago
Did exactly the same thing when i went away a few months back, my trip just after the second accident but not before the grounding i believe. Not sure what the options are if you get stuck on a plane you don't exactly want to be on. My trip just after the second accident but not before teh grounding.
matwood 7y ago
Airlines like Delta show very clearly what type of plane you're supposed to be on. Of course that could change because of maintenance issues, but it is easy to check at least what is scheduled.

Angostura 7y ago

I'm not sure I've ever been told what type of plane I'm flying in when I book - are you typically told?

cr1895 7y ago
I can always see the type of aircraft when booking a flight with KLM. I don't know if it's typical though.
philjohn 7y ago
BA tell you the model of plane that's scheduled when booking. I've actually selected a different flight a few hours after another so I would be on an A380 vs 747 because two hours extra waiting to come home is worth it for the comfort on a longer flight, and feeling more refreshed the other end, especially with a long drive back from the airport waiting for me.
alkonaut 7y ago
Depends on when you book and what fleet they have. The exact plane (individual) isn't assigned to your flight by the scheduling software at the booking date, if you book months in advance. It's a guess in that case, and it can change up to hours before the flight. So there is nothing that guarantees that the model specified on your booking will actually be used.
ulfw 7y ago
Nobody is being 'told'. But every booking system I've ever used, whether it's airline-direct or an agreggator shows aircraft model. Flightaware and others show it too if you just search for the flight number

jzwinck 7y ago

It would be unethical to do so explicitly ("Airline kills poor people"). It could happen automatically due to demand based pricing, but many people don't know the difference and would price the risk at zero. So I think it's "Mostly no."

alkonaut 7y ago

I'll have no problem flying in one as soon as the relevant authorities deem it safe enough. If I don't trust relevant authorities on what is safe and what isn't - why would I trust them when they say the next plane is safe? Also, since you can't know which flights are using which planes (usually), many carriers use thes planes interchangably with non-MAX (737-800s), and you can't use the choice of plane as a reason to get a refund on your ticket, avoiding these planes is likely expensive. You need to fly another route, pick an airline that isn't the cheapest for the leg you are flying and so on. I mean I'm as scared of crashing as the next guy but I'm not "5% more expensive trip"-scared.

ulfw 7y ago
The same "authorities" who told you before they were safe to fly? You have so much believe in authorities that even if proven they didn't do their job, you still trust in them with your life?
- alkonaut 7y ago
  Yes, those authorities. Either I trust them and fly (ever) or I don't and you never fly. There is no middle ground here. If you fly on the A350 which is also new - you trust the FAA/EASA that they are safe to fly. If I don't trust FAA/EASA, I can never fly the new A350 either. In fact I can't fly on any plane, unless I adopt some strategy of only flying ones that have an established safety record (i.e. old planes). But even with those, I trust the authorities who ensure the training of the pilots is OK, that ATC works etc. They are the same authorities... They might not always do their job the way I want them to, but there are no other authorities in this case to go to for a second opinion.
  - ulfw 7y ago
    Please show me how EASA has outsourced certification to the manufacturer (Airbus) itself like FAA has done with Boeing Otherwise I have no idea how you could even remotely compare these two situations