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How can we know if your side of the story is the truth? Either way, this is an excellent example of why the Twitter Justice System is a bad idea.

duxup 7y ago
One thing is this person didn't mention the other people. Telling this story this way isn't likely to be seen as attacking someone else / not a huge benefit to them / perhaps LESS of an incentive to lie..
- wccrawford 7y ago
  From the article, it sounds like the only reason they didn't name the people was that their lawyer told them not to.
  - duxup 7y ago
    Maybe, but that doesn't change that there's not a lot of value here as far as any given he said he said type situation. I can belive the writer, it really changes nothing as far as who they're describing as I've still no idea who they are / the author isn't really changing my opinion about anything.
  - unbalancedparen 7y ago
    That is not correct. I have no interest in damaging anybody. That is why I did not write names and other things that happened in the article. He has already been banned from other conferences. I am trying to protect myself based on what happened and other people told me, I assure you the last few weeks have been a hell for me. My only objective is to be able to run my conference as I want and not to be harrassed.
    - leereeves 7y ago
      But you did identify the woman on Twitter. I won't link to it because I don't think we should share it further, but someone posted it in this discussion. I sympathize but I think the court of public opinion is unlikely to do anything other than further escalate things.
      - revvx 7y ago
        I watched this unfold on Twitter, and it was a third-party related to the woman that decided to "out" themselves. It's not an easy position for a conference organizer to be in.
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    - somebodyelse1 7y ago
      >He has already been banned from other conferences. I know the guy in question, hes quite famous. This is patently and utterly false, hes not banned from anywhere. Did somebody told you this lie? Let me guess...the same person that denounced him? do you know that these girls work for the Argentine government right? ask around. They did the same to another famous hacker, Nino Orsino. You are being played like a pawn, man.
ryandrake 7y ago
It seems like a lot (but not all) of the grief and drama the guy encountered could have been avoided by simply staying off of Twitter. Wouldn’t have stopped the crazed texts and other messages, but at the end of the day it’s also all just “words on the Internet” and I don’t see much real world harm here. EDIT: Wow, all this for just suggesting to not worry so much about what people write on Twitter. Sorry if I offended someone!
- Waterluvian 7y ago
  Easier said than done when you're a leader, event organizer, company executive or manager. Etc.
- jasonlotito 7y ago
  He was harassed at a conference, probably in violation of their CoC, and felt threatened enough to leave. Sounds like real world harm to me.
- sethammons 7y ago
  he had sponsors and others reaching out to him to ask what is going on. I don't think they plan on turning off twitter too.
  - AgentME 7y ago
    Why does he care what the sponsors think? His problem would be solved if he stops paying attention to Twitter, his sponsors, money, friendships, etc... /s
    - kkapelon 7y ago
      Because sponsors pay for the conference he was trying to organize. No sponsors, no money, no conference.
- striking 7y ago
  > Sorry if I offended someone! It's like you didn't actually read the replies. They state counterarguments; they don't show anyone taking any offense.
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commandlinefan 7y ago
That was my takeaway - she's doing to him exactly what he allowed other people to do to her. He's finding that he doesn't like it.
- jasonlotito 7y ago
  He's handling this without naming anyone publicly, and going through proper channels. She did the exact opposite, making this public and threatening him enough that he felt compelled to leave a conference where she was apparently harassing him. Not quite the same thing.
- srpguy 7y ago
  Did we read the same article? He turned her speaker position down because of her pattern of vengeful, childlike behavior. She acted completely in line with what her reputation would suggest and pursued a personal harassment campaign. Maybe I'm missing something. Can you enumerate what he allowed people to do to her, and what she did to him? That way we can compare directly.
  - NewTexasKubern 7y ago
    He never said exactly why he turned her down.
  - ndiscussion 7y ago
    > alleged pattern of vengeful, childlike behavior
  - lawnchair_larry 7y ago
    That isn’t mentioned anywhere in the linked article.
- mgkimsal 7y ago
  "she's doing to him exactly what he allowed other people to do to her" Please explain that. What did he 'allow' 'other people' to 'do' to her?
- revvx 7y ago
jasonlotito 7y ago
So, there is no need to assume otherwise at this point. They are working through the legal system, and haven't named anyone. That's why you don't see any evidence presented, or names, or anything else like that.
- j4kp07 7y ago
  > They are working through the legal system... That would be the "civil" legal system. I would imagine that if a police report was filed, the author would have mentioned that in the article. Otherwise, I treat it all as hyperbole whereby the author seems to be on the receiving end of the same rumors s/he has enabled.
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wysifnwyg 7y ago
Until evidence is provided, we can't. Given their legal counsel recommends against sharing evidence, we may never get the evidence. All this is right now is an attempt at continuity that will show later if they story has deviated from what they claim or has remained consistent.
mikestew 7y ago
If the author cared about "the truth" and "their side of the story" to "clear their name", names would have been named; details would have been detailed. The lack of those things might be a clue that it wasn't the point, but rather a warning to others that might follow the conference organizer path. Believe the author or not, but there are some fucking Looney Tunes folks out there. If you go gathering a crowd of people above a critical mass, you're going to have to deal with a few of them at some point. That should be your take-away.
radioactivwitch 7y ago
The person that threatened the author of the post and everyone around him is a well known asshole from the Argentinian InfoSec community. He is a bad person that created a hostile environment for several women that are in IT (I am sure that for other people too). He stalked, discriminate, insulted, threatened and more. There is a lot of people that talked with the former speaker about this person in a moment of their life when she broke up with this piece of shit and she said that he was being violent with her. That's the reality, she might be a victim but the guy that harass whoever he wants its a dangerous person. You will have news from more people about this soon. We're simply tired of these disastrous characters. Violence must stop now.
- somebodyelse1 7y ago
  'Several women' which one? the one that falsely accused him of rape and now will have to sell her house to pay him for damages? Are we talking about the same person here? The girl that cannot go to feminist meetings and Argentine Hacklabs anymore because she was unmasked as an agent of police intelligence? Everybody in Argentina knows what she and her friends used to do in conferences, how she manipulate people to do her bidding (like the poor bastard here) how many people they had put behind bars, they have nothing to do with infosec. The guy was the only one that legally fought them and won, now it is time to pay, and this is their last desperate stand.

duxup 7y ago

One thing is this person didn't mention the other people. Telling this story this way isn't likely to be seen as attacking someone else / not a huge benefit to them / perhaps LESS of an incentive to lie..

wccrawford 7y ago
From the article, it sounds like the only reason they didn't name the people was that their lawyer told them not to.
- duxup 7y ago
  Maybe, but that doesn't change that there's not a lot of value here as far as any given he said he said type situation. I can belive the writer, it really changes nothing as far as who they're describing as I've still no idea who they are / the author isn't really changing my opinion about anything.
- unbalancedparen 7y ago
  That is not correct. I have no interest in damaging anybody. That is why I did not write names and other things that happened in the article. He has already been banned from other conferences. I am trying to protect myself based on what happened and other people told me, I assure you the last few weeks have been a hell for me. My only objective is to be able to run my conference as I want and not to be harrassed.
  - leereeves 7y ago
    But you did identify the woman on Twitter. I won't link to it because I don't think we should share it further, but someone posted it in this discussion. I sympathize but I think the court of public opinion is unlikely to do anything other than further escalate things.
    - revvx 7y ago
      I watched this unfold on Twitter, and it was a third-party related to the woman that decided to "out" themselves. It's not an easy position for a conference organizer to be in.
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  - somebodyelse1 7y ago
    >He has already been banned from other conferences. I know the guy in question, hes quite famous. This is patently and utterly false, hes not banned from anywhere. Did somebody told you this lie? Let me guess...the same person that denounced him? do you know that these girls work for the Argentine government right? ask around. They did the same to another famous hacker, Nino Orsino. You are being played like a pawn, man.

ryandrake 7y ago

It seems like a lot (but not all) of the grief and drama the guy encountered could have been avoided by simply staying off of Twitter. Wouldn’t have stopped the crazed texts and other messages, but at the end of the day it’s also all just “words on the Internet” and I don’t see much real world harm here. EDIT: Wow, all this for just suggesting to not worry so much about what people write on Twitter. Sorry if I offended someone!

Waterluvian 7y ago
Easier said than done when you're a leader, event organizer, company executive or manager. Etc.
jasonlotito 7y ago
He was harassed at a conference, probably in violation of their CoC, and felt threatened enough to leave. Sounds like real world harm to me.
sethammons 7y ago
he had sponsors and others reaching out to him to ask what is going on. I don't think they plan on turning off twitter too.
- AgentME 7y ago
  Why does he care what the sponsors think? His problem would be solved if he stops paying attention to Twitter, his sponsors, money, friendships, etc... /s
  - kkapelon 7y ago
    Because sponsors pay for the conference he was trying to organize. No sponsors, no money, no conference.
striking 7y ago
> Sorry if I offended someone! It's like you didn't actually read the replies. They state counterarguments; they don't show anyone taking any offense.

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commandlinefan 7y ago

That was my takeaway - she's doing to him exactly what he allowed other people to do to her. He's finding that he doesn't like it.

jasonlotito 7y ago
He's handling this without naming anyone publicly, and going through proper channels. She did the exact opposite, making this public and threatening him enough that he felt compelled to leave a conference where she was apparently harassing him. Not quite the same thing.
srpguy 7y ago
Did we read the same article? He turned her speaker position down because of her pattern of vengeful, childlike behavior. She acted completely in line with what her reputation would suggest and pursued a personal harassment campaign. Maybe I'm missing something. Can you enumerate what he allowed people to do to her, and what she did to him? That way we can compare directly.
- NewTexasKubern 7y ago
  He never said exactly why he turned her down.
- ndiscussion 7y ago
  > alleged pattern of vengeful, childlike behavior
- lawnchair_larry 7y ago
  That isn’t mentioned anywhere in the linked article.
mgkimsal 7y ago
"she's doing to him exactly what he allowed other people to do to her" Please explain that. What did he 'allow' 'other people' to 'do' to her?
revvx 7y ago

jasonlotito 7y ago

So, there is no need to assume otherwise at this point. They are working through the legal system, and haven't named anyone. That's why you don't see any evidence presented, or names, or anything else like that.

j4kp07 7y ago
> They are working through the legal system... That would be the "civil" legal system. I would imagine that if a police report was filed, the author would have mentioned that in the article. Otherwise, I treat it all as hyperbole whereby the author seems to be on the receiving end of the same rumors s/he has enabled.

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wysifnwyg 7y ago

Until evidence is provided, we can't. Given their legal counsel recommends against sharing evidence, we may never get the evidence. All this is right now is an attempt at continuity that will show later if they story has deviated from what they claim or has remained consistent.

mikestew 7y ago

If the author cared about "the truth" and "their side of the story" to "clear their name", names would have been named; details would have been detailed. The lack of those things might be a clue that it wasn't the point, but rather a warning to others that might follow the conference organizer path. Believe the author or not, but there are some fucking Looney Tunes folks out there. If you go gathering a crowd of people above a critical mass, you're going to have to deal with a few of them at some point. That should be your take-away.

radioactivwitch 7y ago

The person that threatened the author of the post and everyone around him is a well known asshole from the Argentinian InfoSec community. He is a bad person that created a hostile environment for several women that are in IT (I am sure that for other people too). He stalked, discriminate, insulted, threatened and more. There is a lot of people that talked with the former speaker about this person in a moment of their life when she broke up with this piece of shit and she said that he was being violent with her. That's the reality, she might be a victim but the guy that harass whoever he wants its a dangerous person. You will have news from more people about this soon. We're simply tired of these disastrous characters. Violence must stop now.

somebodyelse1 7y ago
'Several women' which one? the one that falsely accused him of rape and now will have to sell her house to pay him for damages? Are we talking about the same person here? The girl that cannot go to feminist meetings and Argentine Hacklabs anymore because she was unmasked as an agent of police intelligence? Everybody in Argentina knows what she and her friends used to do in conferences, how she manipulate people to do her bidding (like the poor bastard here) how many people they had put behind bars, they have nothing to do with infosec. The guy was the only one that legally fought them and won, now it is time to pay, and this is their last desperate stand.