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It removes much of the incentive to build new tech if you have to turn it over and let someone steal it. I wouldn’t go into China with any proprietary tech as

It removes much of the incentive to build new tech if you have to turn it over and let someone steal it. I wouldn’t go into China with any proprietary tech as a foreigner.

quotz 7y ago
EU and US should form a committee or even a court regarding China IP theft and should pursue act on this with full fury
- mrep 7y ago
  Or we should just tell China that if huawei wants to sell their 5g tech over here, they need to force tech transfer the 5g tech over to us to do so.
  - wil421 7y ago
    No you can’t do that. The US and EU do not agree with this type of governance. It would set a bad precedence.
    - quotz 7y ago
      Well, they should put tariffs and sanctions, sounds quite reasonable. EU and US is the only economic factor in the world after all. Whos gonna China sell to after that? Africa? Russia? :D
      - z2 7y ago
        Not sure if that was sarcasm, but surely there's South America, South and Southeast Asia, and Australia. Though, obviously not all these places are on good terms with China either.
        Canada 7y ago
        Forget politics, let's just see how well Huawei's Androids sell outside without Play infrastructure. My bet that people will only choose China's consumer software offerings is if they have absolutely no choice.
    - mindslight 7y ago
      Given that having the source code to a system is a necessary part of modern security practice, it would actually be a very good precedent. This assumption that it's alright for communications infrastructure to rely on trusting black boxes as long as those black boxes were designed by "allied" companies is madness. It doesn't particularly matter whether the gear is made by Qualcomm, Cisco, or Huawei - it's all suspect. The ultimate path forward is for mobile nodes to stop trusting the network, entirely. But that's a long row to hoe with regards to access authorization without leaking identifiers.
      - wil421 7y ago
        Who is competent enough to review code? The governments? The crappy companies who the government would inevitably out source it to?
        mindslight 7y ago
        Anyone is better than no one...
jimbob45 7y ago
There's a happy middle ground here. Patents expire after 20 years and that's a form of tech transfer. Maybe China's 1 year is too short and the US' 20 years is too long?
- SpicyLemonZest 7y ago
  I don't understand the parallel being drawn. The US doesn't require you to file for a patent if you'd rather keep your technology secret.
mistermann 7y ago
> I wouldn’t go into China with any proprietary tech as a foreigner. How about if you didn't own the company outright but were only a senior executive, and your pay was directly linked to YOY profit increases, ignoring the risk of having that technology stolen and used against you 5-10 years down the road?

It removes much of the incentive to build new tech if you have to turn it over and let someone steal it. I wouldn’t go into China with any proprietary tech as a foreigner.

quotz 7y ago

EU and US should form a committee or even a court regarding China IP theft and should pursue act on this with full fury

mrep 7y ago
Or we should just tell China that if huawei wants to sell their 5g tech over here, they need to force tech transfer the 5g tech over to us to do so.
- wil421 7y ago
  No you can’t do that. The US and EU do not agree with this type of governance. It would set a bad precedence.
  - quotz 7y ago
    Well, they should put tariffs and sanctions, sounds quite reasonable. EU and US is the only economic factor in the world after all. Whos gonna China sell to after that? Africa? Russia? :D
    - z2 7y ago
      Not sure if that was sarcasm, but surely there's South America, South and Southeast Asia, and Australia. Though, obviously not all these places are on good terms with China either.
      - Canada 7y ago
        Forget politics, let's just see how well Huawei's Androids sell outside without Play infrastructure. My bet that people will only choose China's consumer software offerings is if they have absolutely no choice.
  - mindslight 7y ago
    Given that having the source code to a system is a necessary part of modern security practice, it would actually be a very good precedent. This assumption that it's alright for communications infrastructure to rely on trusting black boxes as long as those black boxes were designed by "allied" companies is madness. It doesn't particularly matter whether the gear is made by Qualcomm, Cisco, or Huawei - it's all suspect. The ultimate path forward is for mobile nodes to stop trusting the network, entirely. But that's a long row to hoe with regards to access authorization without leaking identifiers.
    - wil421 7y ago
      Who is competent enough to review code? The governments? The crappy companies who the government would inevitably out source it to?
      - mindslight 7y ago
        Anyone is better than no one...

jimbob45 7y ago

There's a happy middle ground here. Patents expire after 20 years and that's a form of tech transfer. Maybe China's 1 year is too short and the US' 20 years is too long?

SpicyLemonZest 7y ago
I don't understand the parallel being drawn. The US doesn't require you to file for a patent if you'd rather keep your technology secret.

mistermann 7y ago

> I wouldn’t go into China with any proprietary tech as a foreigner. How about if you didn't own the company outright but were only a senior executive, and your pay was directly linked to YOY profit increases, ignoring the risk of having that technology stolen and used against you 5-10 years down the road?