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Google confirms Play store will continue to function for existing Huawei phones
- firekvz 7y agoOf course, where else they gonna get money from
- nightfly 7y agoIn the US Huawei has a tiny market share, and worldwide only about 8%. http://gs.statcounter.com/vendor-market-share/mobile/united-states-of-america http://gs.statcounter.com/vendor-market-share/mobile/united-... http://gs.statcounter.com/vendor-market-share/mobile http://gs.statcounter.com/vendor-market-share/mobile
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- panpanna 7y agoHuawei has zero (official) presence in US but they are 2nd/3rd globally.
- HunOL 7y agoAs far as I understand this whole things affects globally and in Europe Huawei is doing quite good. According to your source within year they gained almost 4% and in some countries they are already doing quite good for instance in Italy (24%) or Poland (32%).
- yoz-y 7y agoIn Europe Huawei is pretty huge at around 29%
- gonvaled 7y agoDoes this apply to phones being currently sold? If I buy today the Huawei P30 Pro, in amazon.de, will I have (and keep) access to Google services?
- mongol 7y agoI don't think anyone knows. But it says existing and that phone is existing in customer pockets today.
- sigmar 7y agomy (well-informed but not expert) opinion is that you'll be able to use google services and the play store indefinitely, but that phone will not receive any more _system_ updates that maintain access to google services (since any android update w/ services baked in require google's cts and vts certification, which they will no longer perform for Huawei)
- gonvaled 7y agoAre you saying that: A) all Huawei phones (old or currently being sold) with Google services will keep access to the services, even in the long term? B) the only effect fo the ban on current Huawei phones (old or currently being sold) will be that updates will be stopped? A is good news, but B is catastrophic. This means that the effects of this ban will be to put Huawei customers at risk. One thing is to prevent customers to access a given service. Another thing completely different is to allow access to a service, and then let those same customers down regarding security updates. I hope that at least security updates will be allowed.
- NolF 7y agoApparently they won't get CVEs ahead of time, so they'll have to patch them themselves once they are made public.
- petecox 7y agoSo a Huawei phone will be stuck on Android Pie, since any upgrade to the forthcoming Q release requires re-certification?
- King-Aaron 7y ago... For now
- zmmmmm 7y agoThey don't seem to be doing a very good job of communicating whether this is voluntary or mandated by the trade sanctions. It would seem to be terribly damaging to Google and Android if they can't convince OEMs that this is something extraordinary that no other OEM will need to worry about.
- panpanna 7y agoAccording to the article they think this is mandatory but they are still reviewing it.
- dx034 7y agoWhich would mean that it could hit any Chinese company within days and companies from other nations within weeks/months. I doubt the US government will put a ban on South Korean manufacturers but I'm not sure if Samsung wants to take that risk.
- product50 7y agoSamsung is a top OEM in US unlike Huawei. Also South Korea is a big US ally.
- jsgo 7y agoCurrently, but the US has already chastised South Korea for not spending enough on its defense as it relates to the US. South Korea capitulated I believe, but there remains the possibility that in South Korea's goal of being on agreeable terms with North Korea, it could have negative ramifications on the US/SK relationship. I don't think it is highly likely it'll play out like that, but if I'm Samsung, I'm either throwing resources into Tizen or forking AOSP into a tailored version of the OS.
- product50 7y agoTo suggest that China and South Korea are at the same receiving end of US' wrath tells me how twisted your thinking is. Also, why don't you spare Samsung your strategy. Both you and they will be better without it.
- dx034 7y agoSo how long will it take until Asian Phone companies using Android get together to develop an alternative Android ecosystem? They could set it up in a neutral nation with profits going to all companies. So far, these always failed because it was only one company involved (e.g. Amazons app store) but will all major manufacturers involved, it would be much more profitable for developers to be on that app store than on Google's (they could be compatible at the start anyway). In the end, the one loser from this action is more likely Google than Huawei. And I believe they know that very well but had no alternative but to act this way.
- enitihas 7y agoI am not sure why Asian Phone companies would do anything. As far as we see, only Chinese companies might want to. Asia is big and includes a lot more countries than China. Other asian countries are in the same bucket as Europe in moving to custom ecosystem.
- product50 7y agoExactly. Original poster is trying to go into hyperbolics. Why would LG and Samsung want to participate in this and risk Google's wrath? Which user would like to get a phone without Google's apps on it? This is all looks good on paper as a so called strategy but in real implementation, almost impossible to implement. Consumers will just shift to another Google supported phone.
- vetinari 7y ago> Why would LG and Samsung want to participate in this and risk Google's wrath? As an insurance, so they do not have to be afraid of Google's wrath.
- duxup 7y agoSamsung with their own apps has been hedging their bets that way.... but going all out and forking the OS and building a device (even for test) could get them kicked from the Open Handset Alliance.
- bad_user 7y agoAnd this is the danger of having so much power concentrated in a single country. Google might not want to do this, but they might need to, because they are a US company. Unfortunately this affects everyone. Why should Europeans care about US’s trade wars? And don’t get me wrong, I would never buy Huawei devices because they are made by a company owned by a communist party, but that’s my choice to make, not that of some random US government that will be remembered as one of the worst ones yet.
- generic_user 7y agoThe fundamental issues surrounding China 2025 which has prompted a shift in trade posture between the United States and China affect every other developed manufacturing nation in the world. Including Germany and the rest of the EU Nations. Just because the EU has not gotten publicly involved does not mean that they are not involved privatively in negotiations. Europe along with Japan, Korea etc have the luxury to stay quiet because the US is taking a very public and direct strategy. The US is the only Nation that can take that very public role.
- gonvaled 7y ago> The fundamental issues surrounding China 2025 What are those issues? Why is the goal of advancing your local industries frown upon? Why is the US in the business of telling sovereign countries what they should produce, buy or sell?
- factsaresacred 7y ago> What are those issues? When a country infamous for its theft of intellectual property declares its intention to usurp the dominant power in key technology and manufacturing insustries within six years, that's an issue for the incumbent. Why would any leading power allow another to take its throne, especially through cheating? The have the right to try, of course, but it would be irrational to aid and abet them. If you look at US demands in this trade war, they amount to 'play fairly and openly'.
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- jbk 7y agoThe Play Store and current Play Services, on the existing devices, sure. Anything else, including OS security updates (the security they talk about is Play Protect, not updates), or new major versions of Android (Q) for existing devices, or other services that need hardware integration (wallet/pay?) is probably out of the question.
- skc 7y agoOnly reason I didn't buy another Huawei device when I lost my phone is that there was a special on Xiaomi phones instead. Looks like I dodged a bullet, for now at least.
- josteink 7y agoFirst Google time-bombs their Nest-devices, and now they’ve created precedent for time-bombing huge swaths of Android-devices too. All in less than a week. You’d be crazy to invest deeply into anything Google at this point. Edit: This clearly shows the weakness with the android software update delivery mechanism and architecture. If you install windows on a Chinese laptop, there is no way Microsoft is going to block updates for your laptop in any way in the future. However if you buy a Chinese android phone, there is no generic update pushed to everyone equally, but there has to be a specific update tailored for your device. And everyone (Google, vendor, telecom service providers) can block those updates from reaching you. If Google wants Android to remain a viable platform in the future, they’ll need to fix that. Make all devices use UEFI for ARM and boot genetic OS images made equally for everyone. Or anything else. Whatever works. I don’t care how, they just need to fix this mess. Edit 2: I was about to replace my iPhone SE with a Samsung Galaxy S10e (3.5mm jack, wireless charging). I'm now reconsidering and might just end up with a new iPhone instead.
- v7p1Qbt1im 7y agoIt‘s not like it was their choice to make. Intel, Qualcomm, etc. are doing the same. The US and Chinese government are to blame. Edit: Quite possibly Windows will not receive updates on Huawei laptops anymore.
- josteink 7y ago> Quite possibly Windows will not receive updates on Huawei laptops anymore. If that is true, that will be the basis of the biggest class action lawsuit in history, against Microsoft from every single company in Europe now being left vulnerable to attacks. Microsoft knows that, which is why they will do everything in their power to ensure this is never happening.
- MihailBurduja 7y agoIt's not MS's fault if US govt is not allowing them to push the updates to Huawei devices.
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- maxdo 7y agoI don’t support the decision to ban android for Huawei but ... how many companies in China been kicked from their market including Google , Facebook etc . Most of Chinese still saying that was right decision, so what’s wrong with kicking out one company due to espionage. No issues with let’s say one plus which is more popular in US and still Chinese.
- logicchains 7y ago>how many companies in China been kicked from their market including Google For the record, Google voluntarily withdrew from China as a form of moral protest (it didn't want to help the government censor/spy on its citizens). It wasn't just banned as a means of protecting local companies, since Bing isn't banned, nor for that matter is Azure or Outlook/Hotmail.
- leavjenn 7y agoGoogle didn't withdrawn. They stopped censorshipping sensitive keywords and moved their servers to Hong Kong. Then China blocked their sites. You can't withdraw from the Internet by simply move your servers. Bing censor sensitive keywords so China allows them to stay.
- fauigerzigerk 7y agoThis is ominous for Apple as well, being the poster child of American industry. China could retaliate by disrupting Apple's supply chain, but I don't think it will happen as it would put a huge question mark over China as a component supplier for every single industry.
- adventured 7y agoIt's not ominous at all. China can't retaliate in that manner if they want Huawei to remain a functioning business. The US controls nearly all aspects of the global technology industry. It can rather smash Huawei any time it chooses to, ZTE style, by entirely revoking Huawei's access to critical components (and a lot of markets). Without China, Apple remains the most profitable company on earth and can safely, entirely abandon China. Taiwan I'll note is not China. Huawei on the other hand can't survive as is without US technology. They'd lose at least 3/4 of their business and most likely end up in bankruptcy.
- dingaling 7y agoYou're about a decade behind the curve. Huawei already has its own Kirin mobile SoC. There are no critical components that the USA can lock-down. > Taiwan I'll note is not China. Assuming you are referring to.Foxconn, their HQ is on Taiwan but the assembly lines are on the mainland.
- greatpatton 7y agoCan you please tell us which part of US technology Huawei will need at all costs? CPU? Based on a European company design Memory? Chinese and Asian companies already in charge of most of this market Modem? They have their own design OS? They are already using open source Android without Google technology for Chinese use Screen? Same local and other asian sources dominate this world etc. No the only way, US can impact these company is by preventing them to trade with the rest of the world. But after ZTE, this will be seen as full war by China, and the global economic impact of this will make 2008 looks like a great year for the economy.
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- gcatalfamo 7y agoWarning: Personal opinion, so treat it as such. Regardless of this being mandated or not, they are sacking the best Android flagship representative thus leaving the market open to others. Huawei is huge outside US and their latest phones are a better purchase than Samsung, more performant but most importantly they age slower which is a critical thing for an Android device.
- dagaci 7y agoThis has been mandated by a US government decree. The US president has declared a "National Emergency" which gives him this kind of power. They have placed Huawei and 70 linked partners on a trade blacklist saying Huawei is a danger to national security. So it is now effectively an offense for US companies to trade with Huawei directly or indirectly. https://www.scmp.com/news/china/article/3010403/us-commerce-department-places-chinas-huawei-and-70-affiliates-trade https://www.scmp.com/news/china/article/3010403/us-commerce-... I hope it leads to competition, but i doubt that will happen any time soon.
- Zenst 7y agoThe ironic part here is that by blocking Huawei phones from security updates from Google, could/will create security issues with anybody who has a Huawei phone. Which in some way makes this a self-fulfilling action.
- craftyguy 7y ago> The US president has declared a "National Emergency" which gives him this kind of power. When everything is a 'national emergency', nothing is. > I hope it leads to competition, but i doubt that will happen any time soon. Are you living under a rock? There is already a LOT of competition in the US smartphone market (both domestic and foreign brands) and now, with this new 'national emergency,' there is less competition in the US. Mission accomplished?
- dagaci 7y agoThe choice is between a very expensive and heavily walled garden Apple iOS or Android where your experience can vary. While Apples growth rate has fallen, i'm am sure there is a reason why it can charge over 2 x high-end premiums. Hint: It has nothing to do with the hardware.
- NotPaidToPost 7y agoThis is really an appalling decision by the US government that brings us back to the darkest days of colonialism and Western exploitation: Gunboat diplomacy in full swing. China is lucky to be too big to be actually bombed these days... I think this will prove extremely significant because all the recent history of China (last 150 years) has been about freeing themselves from that. In the short term this decision will likely harm China but it will also make them double down on developing their own tech and thus may end up hurting US companies in the long term: When China doesn't need Google, Intel, etc. then what leverage will the US have for blackmail? None. Time is on China's side.
- tekkk 7y agoColonialism? Western exploitation? Really? I do not think that this was necessarily a smart or moral choice by the US's part, but I guess they know more about the issue than I do, based on which this action was made. But I am curious how you can draw a line between alleged espionage accusations and the need for the US to secure its own telecommunications networks by forcing out a possibly hostile actor and colonialism? Protectionism yes, but not colonialism. It really irritates me when people start extrapolating hyperboles based on their own emotions of how things are, with logical reasoning only an afterthought to validate their raging desire to feel certain way about something. The platform for doing that is Twitter or Facebook, not HackerNews.
- NotPaidToPost 7y agoEnough with repeating the official propaganda of "espionnage", etc. This is a transparent pretext. The real issue is the US facing the end of their status of top dog with the rise of a superpower that does not answer to them (which is an emotive subject). It's no hyperbole to state that they are fighting for their empire and resorting to gunboat diplomacy. Nothing less, nothing more. This is an extremely sensitive, and indeed emotive, topic in China. People should really realise the level of anger and long term effects this can only have in China. Amd for what? Short term feeling of power for US...
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- HenryBemis 7y agoMoney talk, bs walks. Of course "Play store will continue to work". To use the Sex Pistols lyrics: God save the queen, 'Cause tourists are money, And our figurehead, Is not what she seems. Huawai may be 'evil' (or any other justification) but the money of the millions of Huawei phone owners are more than welcome. System update is a money-losing function. You get people to work and collaborate with vendors, but this doesn't add to the bottom line what Google Play Store adds. Edit: added "the money of" phone owners...
- product50 7y agoWhat is your point?
- socceroos 7y agoThat everyone is corrupt when money is involved - even if 'national security' is waived around.
- HenryBemis 7y agoThat it makes perfect sense to stop supporting those devices. The effort costs money. So if they want to put their foot down and force 'change' (and everything else in the trade-wars/political agenda), you stop spending your money on them, but you continue milking the profit from their users. This is partially correct as a responsible business stance, because in the end of the day, you support the users, who in the end of the day, are not at fault for Huawei's bad doings. And with that said, I do agree that China is in need of major democratic reform that will never come, as the autocracy (I don't want to use a harsher word). I also recognize the maladities that China has caused and is continuing to cause. This was not a pro-Chinese-gov message. This was a Google-loves-the-revenue-and-the-foothold message.
- novaRom 7y agoI don't know how is it in US, but in Europe recently Huawei is very successful and growing. All big smartphone stores have now special tables with Huawei show-cases, lots of TV Ads.
- product50 7y ago"was" Without Google, users will just shift over to Android. Agreed Huawei's phones are good but are they as good for users to not care about GMail, YouTube, Play Store etc.? On top of that, will users trust an OS by a Chinese company?
- PeterStuer 7y agoRecently bought a cheap Huawei P5. After having owned phones from Nokia, Sony, LG, Apple, Microsoft and Google, the Huawei beats them hands down, no question.
- gambiting 7y agoI was about to say - in Poland Huawei is absolutely huge, I see a lot of people using their devices and having far more prominent stands in electronic shops than Samsung for instance.
- Zenst 7y agoAs a consumer, I'm almost at the stage now when buying a phone or any consumer tech - that I feel that I should be printing out a list of features the phone offers and getting the sales chap to sign them, so if any are changed/removed down the line (like software updates stop prematurely) - I'd have an easier legal redress to obtain a refund under being mis-sold.
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- edoloughlin 7y agoIt's nice to know my Nexus 6p will continue to function, then. I dug it out of a drawer a month ago and it updated. It can no longer see my WiFi. It can see my neighbours' WiFi no problem, just not mine. Looking on the bright side, I guess that means I don't need to worry about the Huawei baseband.
- zuron7 7y agoI'd be really happy if this leads to app developers making apps that can work without Google Play Services.
- rando444 7y agoPretty much all android apps can work without google play currently. If you don't want to use google play, you can download the APK from any number of apk mirror sites and install the app yourself manually.
- Matt3o12_ 7y agoGoogle Play Services != Google Play Store The play services is a framework that many (and probably all "western") apps require because they use push notifications, maps, google ads and probably a lot of other google services. An android phone without those services installed isn't able to run said apps. And while it is possible to emulate the play services, I don't think this would work on a huge scale because they would still be accessing private google cloud apis and google could shut it down very fast. You have to remember, Apps don't send your notifications to your device directly, they send it to google, who then forwards your push notification to the device (if every app would regularly pull an notification server, your device would run out of battery way too fast). The only reason google currently doesn't ban those emulations is that the % of users who use those is so low that it doesn't cause them any harm.
- jmkni 7y agoFrom a developer perspective, the Google Play Services are so damn convenient, and they work well. When it comes to push notifications in particular, I don't know of an alternative which works quite as well as Firebase (if there is, please tell me!) It seems like developing apps without the Google Play Services will take longer, and be more expensive. Maybe that's just psychological, but it's risky to decide not to use them, especially when you are time constained/on a budget, and you know how to use them etc.
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- codedokode 7y agoThis case shows how "open" Android is and how free is "free trade".