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I got them all correct easily. You can hear the emotion in the real voice. Someone should test this on criminal psychopaths and see if they are significantly b

I got them all correct easily. You can hear the emotion in the real voice. Someone should test this on criminal psychopaths and see if they are significantly better or worse at it than the general pop. I would bet there will be two major populations of psychopath in solidly each category.

ekianjo 7y ago
> I got them all correct easily. You can hear the emotion in the real voice. Yup, it's fairly obvious there is a difference between a somewhat more robotic intonation vs someone who puts emphasis on certain parts of each word. Still, they nailed the sound/uniqueness of his voice pretty well.
hn_throwaway_99 7y ago
Uh oh, I got nearly all of them wrong. I hope I'm not a psychopath :( Somewhat in my defense, although I've seen a few clips with Rogan, I'm not very familiar with him. I agree with the GP's comment, I thought the real Joe Rogan reading ads sounded very staccato and robotic. Near the end I got a little better with the "OK, robotic sounding Joe is the real one." That said, I'm an introvert and I don't enjoy social situations with people I don't know, so while perhaps not a psychopath it's plausible the my poor ability to infer emotional intonation is at play both here and in social situations.
- ydb 7y ago
  I only missed 1 in 8, and I attribute that to a bit too much wine on a Saturday night. I heard "farm fresh" as "farm fish" and thought I was a genius for catching an algorithm error... However, as I mentioned in this comment[1] I don't think you have much to worry about. The correct criteria for diagnosing fake vs real is actually not being robotic. I knew immediately what was real because there was emphasis and affectation, as opposed to the monotone counterpart. Finally, a minor quib: "psychopathy" is not about an ability to infer intonation (quite the opposite). I'm an introvert like you (Hell, I'm probably considered a hermit) and I was easily able to identify the doppelganger. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19951679 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19951679
  - ramblerman 7y ago
    > Finally, a minor quib: "psychopathy" is not about an ability to infer intonation (quite the opposite). I'm an introvert like you (Hell, I'm probably considered a hermit) and I was easily able to identify the doppelganger. What does introversion and being a hermit have to do with psychopathy?
    - ydb 7y ago
      Not sure, ask the parent commenter. I was merely attempting a rebuttal to their remark.
    - ryguytilidie 7y ago
      I don't think the parent commenter was arguing any sort of relationship between those things. You brought up the introversion/hermit thing so asking the other guy who didnt bring it up how the two things are related doesnt make much sense.
- wallace_f 7y ago
  I also was thinking that one's ability to feel another's emotion--empathize--was the key determinant in success here. I also don't want to make people feel like they're necessarily terrible people if they can't. Sorry if that's the way it came across. Thinkint about this: It seems that culturally we are comfortable telling people feel like they're dumb (ie SATs, grades, uni admissions) or unathletic (competitive sports is a big part of growing up)... But we don't say anything about moral character.
  - mulmen 7y ago
    Really nobody in your upbringing taught you anything about morality? You should probably think about that more. It might just not be obvious. I never had a coach tell me I am not athletic or a teacher tell me I am dumb.
lone_haxx0r 7y ago
It's the intonation. Explained musically: the fake one goes from C to C# instantly, and the real one sweeps through all the frequencies in between in order to switch tones.
- derangedHorse 7y ago
  There's also the fact that some of the snippets where faux Rogan uses intonation doesn't always make sense based on the content of what's being said.
ydb 7y ago
> I would bet there will be two major populations of psychopath in solidly each category. Those psychopaths who are "bad" at determining authenticity versus those who are "good" at it (mostly-wrong as opposed to mostly-correct, respectively)? I'm hesitant to agree with that; from my understanding, a "psychopath" (current medical definition is Antisocial Personality Disorder, ASPD) is one who is outside of social norms and mores. Much like a precise machine, they are able to attenuate their focus to the nuances most neurotypical people take for granted. Although far from a medical professional, I would hazard to guess an autistic person would be one of the groups you might attribute to supposed psychopathy (specifically: those unable to diagnose fake from authentic). However, even that claim should be taken with an ounce of salt. Point being, I get triggered when people use psychopath willy-nilly!
Gimpei 7y ago
Psychopaths are actually supposed to be very good at reading other peoples' emotions. They just don't feel much empathy. Autism is associated with difficulties in reading emotions.
- wallace_f 7y ago
  >I actually supposed to be very good at reading other peoples' emotions. They just don't feel much empathy. I understand people commonly intend empathy to convey 'well intentioned' or 'harboring feelings to understand and help others,' but I thought the actual meaning is the first sentence of your comment?
  - chongli 7y ago
    No, empathy is the ability to feel what others are feeling, like one piano string resonating with another. Psychopaths may have the ability to model and emulate this trait but it does not really affect them. Psychopaths are emotional impostors who operate outside of the inborn rules of social animals.

ekianjo 7y ago

> I got them all correct easily. You can hear the emotion in the real voice. Yup, it's fairly obvious there is a difference between a somewhat more robotic intonation vs someone who puts emphasis on certain parts of each word. Still, they nailed the sound/uniqueness of his voice pretty well.

hn_throwaway_99 7y ago

Uh oh, I got nearly all of them wrong. I hope I'm not a psychopath :( Somewhat in my defense, although I've seen a few clips with Rogan, I'm not very familiar with him. I agree with the GP's comment, I thought the real Joe Rogan reading ads sounded very staccato and robotic. Near the end I got a little better with the "OK, robotic sounding Joe is the real one." That said, I'm an introvert and I don't enjoy social situations with people I don't know, so while perhaps not a psychopath it's plausible the my poor ability to infer emotional intonation is at play both here and in social situations.

ydb 7y ago
I only missed 1 in 8, and I attribute that to a bit too much wine on a Saturday night. I heard "farm fresh" as "farm fish" and thought I was a genius for catching an algorithm error... However, as I mentioned in this comment[1] I don't think you have much to worry about. The correct criteria for diagnosing fake vs real is actually not being robotic. I knew immediately what was real because there was emphasis and affectation, as opposed to the monotone counterpart. Finally, a minor quib: "psychopathy" is not about an ability to infer intonation (quite the opposite). I'm an introvert like you (Hell, I'm probably considered a hermit) and I was easily able to identify the doppelganger. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19951679 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19951679
- ramblerman 7y ago
  > Finally, a minor quib: "psychopathy" is not about an ability to infer intonation (quite the opposite). I'm an introvert like you (Hell, I'm probably considered a hermit) and I was easily able to identify the doppelganger. What does introversion and being a hermit have to do with psychopathy?
  - ydb 7y ago
    Not sure, ask the parent commenter. I was merely attempting a rebuttal to their remark.
  - ryguytilidie 7y ago
    I don't think the parent commenter was arguing any sort of relationship between those things. You brought up the introversion/hermit thing so asking the other guy who didnt bring it up how the two things are related doesnt make much sense.
wallace_f 7y ago
I also was thinking that one's ability to feel another's emotion--empathize--was the key determinant in success here. I also don't want to make people feel like they're necessarily terrible people if they can't. Sorry if that's the way it came across. Thinkint about this: It seems that culturally we are comfortable telling people feel like they're dumb (ie SATs, grades, uni admissions) or unathletic (competitive sports is a big part of growing up)... But we don't say anything about moral character.
- mulmen 7y ago
  Really nobody in your upbringing taught you anything about morality? You should probably think about that more. It might just not be obvious. I never had a coach tell me I am not athletic or a teacher tell me I am dumb.

lone_haxx0r 7y ago

It's the intonation. Explained musically: the fake one goes from C to C# instantly, and the real one sweeps through all the frequencies in between in order to switch tones.

derangedHorse 7y ago
There's also the fact that some of the snippets where faux Rogan uses intonation doesn't always make sense based on the content of what's being said.

ydb 7y ago

> I would bet there will be two major populations of psychopath in solidly each category. Those psychopaths who are "bad" at determining authenticity versus those who are "good" at it (mostly-wrong as opposed to mostly-correct, respectively)? I'm hesitant to agree with that; from my understanding, a "psychopath" (current medical definition is Antisocial Personality Disorder, ASPD) is one who is outside of social norms and mores. Much like a precise machine, they are able to attenuate their focus to the nuances most neurotypical people take for granted. Although far from a medical professional, I would hazard to guess an autistic person would be one of the groups you might attribute to supposed psychopathy (specifically: those unable to diagnose fake from authentic). However, even that claim should be taken with an ounce of salt. Point being, I get triggered when people use psychopath willy-nilly!

Gimpei 7y ago

Psychopaths are actually supposed to be very good at reading other peoples' emotions. They just don't feel much empathy. Autism is associated with difficulties in reading emotions.

wallace_f 7y ago
>I actually supposed to be very good at reading other peoples' emotions. They just don't feel much empathy. I understand people commonly intend empathy to convey 'well intentioned' or 'harboring feelings to understand and help others,' but I thought the actual meaning is the first sentence of your comment?
- chongli 7y ago
  No, empathy is the ability to feel what others are feeling, like one piano string resonating with another. Psychopaths may have the ability to model and emulate this trait but it does not really affect them. Psychopaths are emotional impostors who operate outside of the inborn rules of social animals.