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Inline breakpoints and human-friendly variable names are gamechangers! Looks like FF is going above and beyond Chrome devtools with this update.

haolez 7y ago
Can it inspect WebSockets frames yet? I'm a Firefox user but I miss that sometimes when developing stuff.
- dblohm7 7y ago
  I heard that this was going to be a GSOC project this summer, but I'm not sure if that was approved or not.
  - dblohm7 7y ago
    s/HSOC/GSOC/
  - sanxiyn 7y ago
    Mozilla methodology: staffs should avoid well defined works so that volunteers, interns, and students can do them.
    - Scarbutt 7y ago
      Firefox is not their primary product and they have no competition. /S
      - sanxiyn 7y ago
        Oh... I consider Mozilla methodology a good methodology. Staffs probably can do both well and ill defined works better than volunteers, but they do have comparative advantage in ill defined works. A problem with methodology is that well defined works can be delayed, but Mozilla do have massive contributor pool so that it is not usually a problem.
    - seanmcdirmid 7y ago
      It’s not a bad strategy: just figuring out what to do can be much harder than getting it done (which can be more easily delegated). Architects (of old) made the big bucks in the days; now according to the google model they’ve all become senior engineers and the definition of and piecing off of work is much less formal (not to mention that it might go out to interns or the community rather the junior devs).
      - vanderZwan 7y ago
        I can also picture it organically happening: if I were a core dev, would I focus on the issues "anyone" could pick up, or the ones that only someone as deeply invested into the code base as me would have any hope of untangling?
  - Vinnl 7y ago
    It was, here's the bug: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=885508 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=885508
- jjoonathan 7y ago
  This is the big one that sends me back to Chrome every time I start to get settled in Firefox.
TheGoddessInari 7y ago
As much as I like a Firefox, no inline/live editing of Javascript leaves things a bit frustratingly behind the curve. Even Edge Classic has that, and it's terrible.
Weizilla 7y ago
Looks like they finally added resizable columns in the networks tab! https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1358414 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1358414
magicalist 7y ago
Those have worked for a while now? Like https://umaar.com/dev-tips/129-inline-breakpoints/ https://umaar.com/dev-tips/129-inline-breakpoints/ The bigger issue is when local variables aren't captured by the context when paused in chrome. I'm curious how the Firefox devtools handle that.
kaycebasques 7y ago
We (Chrome DevTools) have had inline breakpoints since at least January 2017: https://umaar.com/dev-tips/129-inline-breakpoints/ https://umaar.com/dev-tips/129-inline-breakpoints/ The human-friendly variable mapping is very interesting, though. We'd love feedback on how well it works out in the wild.
- jasonlaster11 7y ago
  Happy to discuss collaborating on mapping variables. The current approach is based on re-parsing with babel, but we would like to extend source maps to include relevant mapping data. https://twitter.com/auchenberg/status/1129435519727820800 https://twitter.com/auchenberg/status/1129435519727820800

haolez 7y ago

Can it inspect WebSockets frames yet? I'm a Firefox user but I miss that sometimes when developing stuff.

dblohm7 7y ago
I heard that this was going to be a GSOC project this summer, but I'm not sure if that was approved or not.
- dblohm7 7y ago
  s/HSOC/GSOC/
- sanxiyn 7y ago
  Mozilla methodology: staffs should avoid well defined works so that volunteers, interns, and students can do them.
  - Scarbutt 7y ago
    Firefox is not their primary product and they have no competition. /S
    - sanxiyn 7y ago
      Oh... I consider Mozilla methodology a good methodology. Staffs probably can do both well and ill defined works better than volunteers, but they do have comparative advantage in ill defined works. A problem with methodology is that well defined works can be delayed, but Mozilla do have massive contributor pool so that it is not usually a problem.
  - seanmcdirmid 7y ago
    It’s not a bad strategy: just figuring out what to do can be much harder than getting it done (which can be more easily delegated). Architects (of old) made the big bucks in the days; now according to the google model they’ve all become senior engineers and the definition of and piecing off of work is much less formal (not to mention that it might go out to interns or the community rather the junior devs).
    - vanderZwan 7y ago
      I can also picture it organically happening: if I were a core dev, would I focus on the issues "anyone" could pick up, or the ones that only someone as deeply invested into the code base as me would have any hope of untangling?
- Vinnl 7y ago
  It was, here's the bug: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=885508 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=885508
jjoonathan 7y ago
This is the big one that sends me back to Chrome every time I start to get settled in Firefox.

TheGoddessInari 7y ago

As much as I like a Firefox, no inline/live editing of Javascript leaves things a bit frustratingly behind the curve. Even Edge Classic has that, and it's terrible.

Weizilla 7y ago

Looks like they finally added resizable columns in the networks tab! https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1358414 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1358414

magicalist 7y ago

Those have worked for a while now? Like https://umaar.com/dev-tips/129-inline-breakpoints/ https://umaar.com/dev-tips/129-inline-breakpoints/ The bigger issue is when local variables aren't captured by the context when paused in chrome. I'm curious how the Firefox devtools handle that.

kaycebasques 7y ago

We (Chrome DevTools) have had inline breakpoints since at least January 2017: https://umaar.com/dev-tips/129-inline-breakpoints/ https://umaar.com/dev-tips/129-inline-breakpoints/ The human-friendly variable mapping is very interesting, though. We'd love feedback on how well it works out in the wild.

jasonlaster11 7y ago
Happy to discuss collaborating on mapping variables. The current approach is based on re-parsing with babel, but we would like to extend source maps to include relevant mapping data. https://twitter.com/auchenberg/status/1129435519727820800 https://twitter.com/auchenberg/status/1129435519727820800