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For those who prefer not to go to the Daily Mail directly: "Camera cross-checked photos of faces of passers-by against wanted database. One man covered face be

For those who prefer not to go to the Daily Mail directly: "Camera cross-checked photos of faces of passers-by against wanted database. One man covered face before officers stopped him and took his picture anyway. He was fined £90 at scene in Romford by police who arrested three other people Police say they know of human rights concerns but want to make London safer"

dominicr 7y ago
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/facial-recognition-cameras-technology-london-trial-met-police-face-cover-man-fined-a8756936.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/facial-recogniti... (Adding a link to a news source from the other side of the aisle to the Mail.)
- NeedMoreTea 7y ago
  Less other side of the aisle than the Mail being an issue for having a long, long history of inaccurate and plain made up "reporting".
onetimemanytime 7y ago
>>Police say they know of human rights concerns but want to make London safer" Alrighty then, just wanted to make sure that they know of human rights concerns.
simonh 7y ago
>..but want to make London safer. It would be nice to be safer from police harassment.
- TomK32 7y ago
  That old Sinéad O'Connor is still ringing true https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n14lwdpYkAA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n14lwdpYkAA
- sanbor 7y ago
  > ..but want to make London safer. By the police stopping you, taking your picture, and trying to match your face to a list of criminals with 96% of false positive match rate.
  - pbhjpbhj 7y ago
    Hmm, it's not like they go "positive match, right bake 'em away toys". The officer will analyse the match and on their confirmation that match means there's reasonable cause to question you, ask for ID, or whatever.
    - blakes 7y ago
      I wonder if there should be reasonable cause to take a photo and match it first?
willyt 7y ago
Technically he was fined for swearing at the police, not for covering his face. If he had said nothing he would not have been fined but might have been searched as the police have the power to stop and search anyone who they have reasonable cause to suspect is acting suspiciously.
- kwhitefoot 7y ago
  But they didn't have reasonable cause.
  - sleepychu 7y ago
    Actually in England they don't need reasonable grounds. https://www.gov.uk/police-powers-to-stop-and-search-your-rights https://www.gov.uk/police-powers-to-stop-and-search-your-rig... > You can only be stopped and searched without reasonable grounds if it has been approved by a senior police officer. This can happen if it is suspected that: serious violence could take place you’re carrying a weapon or have used one you’re in a specific location or area
    - Zak 7y ago
      > you’re in a specific location or area Are the specific locations this applies to defined in law, or can a senior police officer just say "this neighborhood has a lot of criminals; search everyone"?
      - sleepychu 7y ago
        Bit of a mix, seems possible to make justification for an entire city. [1] [1] - https://twitter.com/brumpolice/status/1100765101156634624 https://twitter.com/brumpolice/status/1100765101156634624
        Zak 7y ago
        That's... even worse than I feared, and most of the responses to the tweet are supportive.

dominicr 7y ago

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/facial-recognition-cameras-technology-london-trial-met-police-face-cover-man-fined-a8756936.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/facial-recogniti... (Adding a link to a news source from the other side of the aisle to the Mail.)

NeedMoreTea 7y ago
Less other side of the aisle than the Mail being an issue for having a long, long history of inaccurate and plain made up "reporting".

onetimemanytime 7y ago

>>Police say they know of human rights concerns but want to make London safer" Alrighty then, just wanted to make sure that they know of human rights concerns.

simonh 7y ago

>..but want to make London safer. It would be nice to be safer from police harassment.

TomK32 7y ago
That old Sinéad O'Connor is still ringing true https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n14lwdpYkAA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n14lwdpYkAA
sanbor 7y ago
> ..but want to make London safer. By the police stopping you, taking your picture, and trying to match your face to a list of criminals with 96% of false positive match rate.
- pbhjpbhj 7y ago
  Hmm, it's not like they go "positive match, right bake 'em away toys". The officer will analyse the match and on their confirmation that match means there's reasonable cause to question you, ask for ID, or whatever.
  - blakes 7y ago
    I wonder if there should be reasonable cause to take a photo and match it first?

willyt 7y ago

Technically he was fined for swearing at the police, not for covering his face. If he had said nothing he would not have been fined but might have been searched as the police have the power to stop and search anyone who they have reasonable cause to suspect is acting suspiciously.

kwhitefoot 7y ago
But they didn't have reasonable cause.
- sleepychu 7y ago
  Actually in England they don't need reasonable grounds. https://www.gov.uk/police-powers-to-stop-and-search-your-rights https://www.gov.uk/police-powers-to-stop-and-search-your-rig... > You can only be stopped and searched without reasonable grounds if it has been approved by a senior police officer. This can happen if it is suspected that: serious violence could take place you’re carrying a weapon or have used one you’re in a specific location or area
  - Zak 7y ago
    > you’re in a specific location or area Are the specific locations this applies to defined in law, or can a senior police officer just say "this neighborhood has a lot of criminals; search everyone"?
    - sleepychu 7y ago
      Bit of a mix, seems possible to make justification for an entire city. [1] [1] - https://twitter.com/brumpolice/status/1100765101156634624 https://twitter.com/brumpolice/status/1100765101156634624
      - Zak 7y ago
        That's... even worse than I feared, and most of the responses to the tweet are supportive.