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Is there any sort of technical evidence, documentation or anything out there justifying this?

by chvid 7y ago

chvid 7y ago
Since we are mostly talking about hardware; it should be possible to proof the existence of a backdoor or similar by careful analysis. I remember a few years back where all of sudden it was made an issue that members of the Danish parlament had Lenovo laptops. I think it turned out to be unfounded. Today the largest 4G network here in Denmark is made by Huawei; though they have lost the bid for the 5G network to Ericsson.
- tastroder 7y ago
  I only have a really distant perspective on that but even if there were backdoors in particular Huawei devices, what - the recent PR campaign aside - would that really tell us? We read about critical vulnerabilities and backdoors from Cisco and the likes on here almost every week or at least month without consequence. * Not that I find the Chinese government trustworthy but from a non-US perspective it just looks like two governments throwing mud with a certain disconnect from any technical veracity. * Maybe they get laughed at for the incompetence or negligence regarding that particular issue but that doesn't seem to affect their bottom line or the striving consultancy ecosystem surrounding those products.
  - chvid 7y ago
    My interpretation is binary: Either this is a bullshit move in trade war where the current US administration is hell-bent in bringing the Chinese economy to its knees. Or Huawei is major security threat and all its technology infrastructure spread around the Western world should be rolled back.
    - krageon 7y ago
      It would be very surprising if Huawei was significantly more threatening than any of it's competitors, if you consider being compromised by any government to be a threat.
      - pilsetnieks 7y ago
        Since the above threads focus on 5G: Assuming the Finnish (Nokia) and Swedish (Ericsson) governments have the capacity, competence, and willingness to engage in that kind of stuff (I find it hard to believe but you never know,) indeed it would honestly be less threatening to be compromised by Finland or Sweden than China.

Is there any sort of technical evidence, documentation or anything out there justifying this?

by chvid 7y ago

Is there any sort of technical evidence, documentation or anything out there justifying this?

Since we are mostly talking about hardware; it should be possible to proof the existence of a backdoor or similar by careful analysis. I remember a few years back where all of sudden it was made an issue that members of the Danish parlament had Lenovo laptops. I think it turned out to be unfounded. Today the largest 4G network here in Denmark is made by Huawei; though they have lost the bid for the 5G network to Ericsson.

tastroder 7y ago
I only have a really distant perspective on that but even if there were backdoors in particular Huawei devices, what - the recent PR campaign aside - would that really tell us? We read about critical vulnerabilities and backdoors from Cisco and the likes on here almost every week or at least month without consequence. * Not that I find the Chinese government trustworthy but from a non-US perspective it just looks like two governments throwing mud with a certain disconnect from any technical veracity. * Maybe they get laughed at for the incompetence or negligence regarding that particular issue but that doesn't seem to affect their bottom line or the striving consultancy ecosystem surrounding those products.
- chvid 7y ago
  My interpretation is binary: Either this is a bullshit move in trade war where the current US administration is hell-bent in bringing the Chinese economy to its knees. Or Huawei is major security threat and all its technology infrastructure spread around the Western world should be rolled back.
  - krageon 7y ago
    It would be very surprising if Huawei was significantly more threatening than any of it's competitors, if you consider being compromised by any government to be a threat.
    - pilsetnieks 7y ago
      Since the above threads focus on 5G: Assuming the Finnish (Nokia) and Swedish (Ericsson) governments have the capacity, competence, and willingness to engage in that kind of stuff (I find it hard to believe but you never know,) indeed it would honestly be less threatening to be compromised by Finland or Sweden than China.