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Seems 90s christian soccer-mom puritanism is making a comeback. I wonder how ultra violent gore action is somewhat passable but showing a bit of female skin is

by o_p 7y ago

Seems 90s christian soccer-mom puritanism is making a comeback. I wonder how ultra violent gore action is somewhat passable but showing a bit of female skin is a no-no, US morals are funny.

gcatalfamo 7y ago
While not related to the violence in MK, I also tend to think that if you get triggered by everything, you stop accepting other perspectives that don't openly concur with your way of thinking. Just like in Farenheit 451
erikpukinskis 7y ago
What is soccer mom puritanism? I've never heard of that.
- dqybh 7y ago
  Thankfully, Google has: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soccer_mom https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soccer_mom
  - TeMPOraL 7y ago
    I knew the term, but holy hell, I didn't realize it was created and used as a positive description. I've always thought of the term and the image it conveyed as being strictly derogatory / insulting.
    - DoreenMichele 7y ago
      Given how much hostility homemakers get in the US, it may not have been as positive as you imagine. I didn't find the article as shockingly positive as your remark led me to expect it to be. I think of soccer mom in relatively neutral terms, but my feeling tends to be that it means "she's merely someone with no life for well-meaning but misguided ideas and not because she's outright depraved." Like it's an attempt to say "full time moms: not as bad as we usually think they are."
    - erikpukinskis 7y ago
      Anti-women groups use it in a derogatory way, so if you're in those communities that's how you'd see it used. Similar to how many people use feminism as an epithet.
      - TeMPOraL 7y ago
        I'm not in any anti-women groups, though I've known or read some people with anti-suburban bent (or rather, against American-style suburbia and suburban life), which is where I guess I must've picked up these connotations. As for feminism, yes, I know a lot of people who use "feminism" as epithet and justifiably so, though one usually tries to attach some word to distinguish the crazies from those actually helping women; people I know in meatspace usually call it "belligerent feminism". A lot of those people are women! They prefer someone advocating for their rights instead of the people who use it as a pretext to destroy others or win spotlight for themselves; since the latter kind essentially appropriated the word "feminism" in public consciousness, these women decided to disassociate themselves from the movement.
        erikpukinskis 7y ago
        If they have a category for "belligerent feminism" it sounds like they're still feminists and therefore they're not just "associating" with the movement, they ARE the movement! Personally I don't let cranks define words for me. That includes feminist cranks and conservative cranks alike. "Public consciousness" is worth paying attention to, but I'm not rewriting my dictionary based on it.
  - erikpukinskis 7y ago
    Do you have a better link? That one doesn't mention soccer mom puritanism.
xienze 7y ago
>I wonder how ultra violent gore action is somewhat passable Well it’s because that slippery slope that everyone says doesn’t exist actually does. Recall that the original Mortal Kombat caused all sorts of controversy when it was first released (Doom as well). Compare the relatively tame violence in MK1 to what we have now in MK11, it’s what happens when society collectively shrugs their shoulders and says “it’s just a [game|movie]”. That nudity is still taboo in games and other media is more a reflection of no one bothering to push the envelope like they did with violence.
SOLAR_FIELDS 7y ago
Europe/AUSNZL has the yang to America’s yin as most people know - showing skin is ok, but any violence is a big no-no. It’s a nice quick way to paint a broad stroke of cultural differences between America and rest of western world
fwip 7y ago
This article is about the game developers. Are you suggesting that they are largely composed of 90s christian soccer-mom puritans? Or are you posting without knowing what's going on?

by o_p 7y ago

Seems 90s christian soccer-mom puritanism is making a comeback. I wonder how ultra violent gore action is somewhat passable but showing a bit of female skin is a no-no, US morals are funny.

gcatalfamo 7y ago

While not related to the violence in MK, I also tend to think that if you get triggered by everything, you stop accepting other perspectives that don't openly concur with your way of thinking. Just like in Farenheit 451

erikpukinskis 7y ago

What is soccer mom puritanism? I've never heard of that.

dqybh 7y ago
Thankfully, Google has: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soccer_mom https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soccer_mom
- TeMPOraL 7y ago
  I knew the term, but holy hell, I didn't realize it was created and used as a positive description. I've always thought of the term and the image it conveyed as being strictly derogatory / insulting.
  - DoreenMichele 7y ago
    Given how much hostility homemakers get in the US, it may not have been as positive as you imagine. I didn't find the article as shockingly positive as your remark led me to expect it to be. I think of soccer mom in relatively neutral terms, but my feeling tends to be that it means "she's merely someone with no life for well-meaning but misguided ideas and not because she's outright depraved." Like it's an attempt to say "full time moms: not as bad as we usually think they are."
  - erikpukinskis 7y ago
    Anti-women groups use it in a derogatory way, so if you're in those communities that's how you'd see it used. Similar to how many people use feminism as an epithet.
    - TeMPOraL 7y ago
      I'm not in any anti-women groups, though I've known or read some people with anti-suburban bent (or rather, against American-style suburbia and suburban life), which is where I guess I must've picked up these connotations. As for feminism, yes, I know a lot of people who use "feminism" as epithet and justifiably so, though one usually tries to attach some word to distinguish the crazies from those actually helping women; people I know in meatspace usually call it "belligerent feminism". A lot of those people are women! They prefer someone advocating for their rights instead of the people who use it as a pretext to destroy others or win spotlight for themselves; since the latter kind essentially appropriated the word "feminism" in public consciousness, these women decided to disassociate themselves from the movement.
      - erikpukinskis 7y ago
        If they have a category for "belligerent feminism" it sounds like they're still feminists and therefore they're not just "associating" with the movement, they ARE the movement! Personally I don't let cranks define words for me. That includes feminist cranks and conservative cranks alike. "Public consciousness" is worth paying attention to, but I'm not rewriting my dictionary based on it.
- erikpukinskis 7y ago
  Do you have a better link? That one doesn't mention soccer mom puritanism.

xienze 7y ago

>I wonder how ultra violent gore action is somewhat passable Well it’s because that slippery slope that everyone says doesn’t exist actually does. Recall that the original Mortal Kombat caused all sorts of controversy when it was first released (Doom as well). Compare the relatively tame violence in MK1 to what we have now in MK11, it’s what happens when society collectively shrugs their shoulders and says “it’s just a [game|movie]”. That nudity is still taboo in games and other media is more a reflection of no one bothering to push the envelope like they did with violence.

SOLAR_FIELDS 7y ago

Europe/AUSNZL has the yang to America’s yin as most people know - showing skin is ok, but any violence is a big no-no. It’s a nice quick way to paint a broad stroke of cultural differences between America and rest of western world

fwip 7y ago

This article is about the game developers. Are you suggesting that they are largely composed of 90s christian soccer-mom puritans? Or are you posting without knowing what's going on?