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European care is good when you're young and healthy. When you're old and need urgent surgery, it many times goes before a committee and can take many more mont

European care is good when you're young and healthy. When you're old and need urgent surgery, it many times goes before a committee and can take many more months or even years to get approved. I want private care with no insurance. Costs will go down to managable levels and we can still have help for people that can't afford to pay it.

cbluth 7y ago
I was thinking about this too, what if there was no insurance? Or what if only the government was allowed to offer insurance?
- chii 7y ago
  or everybody pays a small amount into a pot, and the sick gets treated with money from that pot?
the_mitsuhiko 7y ago
There is no “European care”. Every country has its own system and they vary greatly in aspects.
- rando444 7y ago
  If you look through their comment history, they claim to being a white male living in the US. The majority of his comments are pro-trump / anti-obama and have nothing to do with technology. I wouldn't really take this person to be an expert on European healthcare.
evgen 7y ago
Bullshit. This sort of US right-wing talking point is completely at odds with reality. European health care is better than US health care both when you are young and healthy and when you are old and feeble. The only reason health care for the elderly in the US is not the same shitshow it is for the young is that once Americans turn 65 they finally get access to government-run healthcare.
- whamlastxmas 7y ago
  Quality of care is higher in the US from what I've read. Though I'd much rather have the horrible non shitty payment system Europeans have
  - evgen 7y ago
    It is not higher and study after study shows this to be a fact. The US has higher costs and worse outcomes than any western European nation.
Freak_NL 7y ago
The plain reality of healthcare is that there are a bunch of ailments, injuries, and diseases that cannot be treated cheap enough for the average citizen to be able to afford if they have the bad luck of needing that type of care. > Costs will go down to managable levels […] Why? Because of market mechanisms? It just means that a host of rare diseases will never become affordable, because of the basic supply and demand formula. Most people don't need care most of the time. Healthcare is not a commodity product. Insurance solves a real problem: nobody knows if they will ever need it, but statistically we know that if everyone pitches in, everyone that does need several yearly salaries of care can get it when they need it. This is called solidarity, and it works rather well in a large part of the world. Ideally, insurance is required and well-regulated to prevent excesses and to support the poor (and it is in many countries, including many European nations). Private care without insurance is what we had in the past, and it basically meant that the rich could afford care, while the rest just prayed they never got anything more serious than the common cold.
- ashildr 7y ago
  > This is called solidarity Solidarity is not a Christian value. I mean, it’s not an American value, I mean, it’s not that Jesus would help any sick person, at least he would take into account preexisting conditions.
- jsbaby608 7y ago
  government-run care doesn't work well for major surgery. As I said earlier, decisions are made by commitee and many people don't get the care they need. Health insurance, like the student financial aid situation in the US, has created a situation where the true costs are inflated because the hospitals know that the average person isn't footing the bill, the billion dollar insurance company is. It's why you see $80 bills for asparin. Your rainbows and flowers ideas about healthcare sound great in theory, but the reality is that the middleman is creating these balooning and insustainable costs. Government-run care just replaces this middleman with the government and doesn't do anything to reduce the cost or make the care better for anyone. The US has the best quality care in the world. It's why everyone with the means comes over to the US to get treated for major illnesses. Upending the systen to make it like all of the other, worse, systems in the world isn't thr answer.

cbluth 7y ago

I was thinking about this too, what if there was no insurance? Or what if only the government was allowed to offer insurance?

chii 7y ago
or everybody pays a small amount into a pot, and the sick gets treated with money from that pot?

the_mitsuhiko 7y ago

There is no “European care”. Every country has its own system and they vary greatly in aspects.

rando444 7y ago
If you look through their comment history, they claim to being a white male living in the US. The majority of his comments are pro-trump / anti-obama and have nothing to do with technology. I wouldn't really take this person to be an expert on European healthcare.

evgen 7y ago

Bullshit. This sort of US right-wing talking point is completely at odds with reality. European health care is better than US health care both when you are young and healthy and when you are old and feeble. The only reason health care for the elderly in the US is not the same shitshow it is for the young is that once Americans turn 65 they finally get access to government-run healthcare.

whamlastxmas 7y ago
Quality of care is higher in the US from what I've read. Though I'd much rather have the horrible non shitty payment system Europeans have
- evgen 7y ago
  It is not higher and study after study shows this to be a fact. The US has higher costs and worse outcomes than any western European nation.

Freak_NL 7y ago

The plain reality of healthcare is that there are a bunch of ailments, injuries, and diseases that cannot be treated cheap enough for the average citizen to be able to afford if they have the bad luck of needing that type of care. > Costs will go down to managable levels […] Why? Because of market mechanisms? It just means that a host of rare diseases will never become affordable, because of the basic supply and demand formula. Most people don't need care most of the time. Healthcare is not a commodity product. Insurance solves a real problem: nobody knows if they will ever need it, but statistically we know that if everyone pitches in, everyone that does need several yearly salaries of care can get it when they need it. This is called solidarity, and it works rather well in a large part of the world. Ideally, insurance is required and well-regulated to prevent excesses and to support the poor (and it is in many countries, including many European nations). Private care without insurance is what we had in the past, and it basically meant that the rich could afford care, while the rest just prayed they never got anything more serious than the common cold.

ashildr 7y ago
> This is called solidarity Solidarity is not a Christian value. I mean, it’s not an American value, I mean, it’s not that Jesus would help any sick person, at least he would take into account preexisting conditions.
jsbaby608 7y ago
government-run care doesn't work well for major surgery. As I said earlier, decisions are made by commitee and many people don't get the care they need. Health insurance, like the student financial aid situation in the US, has created a situation where the true costs are inflated because the hospitals know that the average person isn't footing the bill, the billion dollar insurance company is. It's why you see $80 bills for asparin. Your rainbows and flowers ideas about healthcare sound great in theory, but the reality is that the middleman is creating these balooning and insustainable costs. Government-run care just replaces this middleman with the government and doesn't do anything to reduce the cost or make the care better for anyone. The US has the best quality care in the world. It's why everyone with the means comes over to the US to get treated for major illnesses. Upending the systen to make it like all of the other, worse, systems in the world isn't thr answer.