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> The ‘crisis’ is kinda fabricated and a whole bunch of people make money off the fabricated crisis. That’s exactly what many conservative voters suspect about

> The ‘crisis’ is kinda fabricated and a whole bunch of people make money off the fabricated crisis. That’s exactly what many conservative voters suspect about climate change. They know they’ve been burned at least once over environmental issues. Edit: I’m not promoting climate change denial. Just pointing out that it’s possible to hold that view in good faith.

hobs 7y ago
The reason why certain voters in the USA dont believe in climate change is because there's a dedicated network of corporations pumping money into the media that repeats this bad-faith claim. At some point it became table stakes for the conservative identity in America that you should reject climate change.
- eanzenberg 7y ago
  Its not that they dont believe it, they just think its not that big a deal. 4ft sealevel increase in 100 years
  - VintageCool 7y ago
    I believe that's a recent movement of the goal posts; it's still quite common among conservatives to believe that climate change is a hoax.
    - eanzenberg 7y ago
      Perhaps. Climate change has been scientific since what, the 70s or 80s? Only recently have we seen repeated significant increases in the global mean temperature. This means early skeptics now are forced to choose reality vs. being a conspiracy theorist. Politicians try to appeal to their base but both sides know climate change is 1) too far into the future to matter and 2) not much impact even in the far future.
      - hobs 7y ago
        No, "both sides" absolutely don't know this. In fact - climate scientists are talking about changes that need to be made in the next decade if we want to put off major ecological collapse.
- brightball 7y ago
  It really didn’t. There are always a few loud people who will make a global warming comment on a cold day, but for the most part I’ve seen more sentiment around how we stop it from a global perspective without just penalizing ourselves. There’s also a very high degree of sentiment for more nuclear power and seeing opposition to it as double speak when it comes to climate change. Essentially, if you’re truly concerned about the environmental impact of coal power, etc but you oppose nuclear then you don’t really want to solve the problem as much as push a specific agenda. IMO the recent trade deals in Europe mandating high tariffs on imports from countries who don’t have a carbon policy in place is on the right track.
- seanmcdirmid 7y ago
  I think the biggest opponent of climate change is simply apathy. It is not that those people don't believe in it, they just don't care. It isn't as tangible or life quality effecting in the immediate term as air pollution was. It is more like the water will rise a bit, so what? Getting Americans to take climate change seriously will require a huge undertaking.
eanzenberg 7y ago
The boy crying wolf has been crying for a few decades now. Didn’t Gore say we’d be underwater by now?
mehrdadn 7y ago
> They know they’ve been burned at least once over environmental issues. What is this referring to?
- TimTheTinker 7y ago
  Recycling.

hobs 7y ago

The reason why certain voters in the USA dont believe in climate change is because there's a dedicated network of corporations pumping money into the media that repeats this bad-faith claim. At some point it became table stakes for the conservative identity in America that you should reject climate change.

eanzenberg 7y ago
Its not that they dont believe it, they just think its not that big a deal. 4ft sealevel increase in 100 years
- VintageCool 7y ago
  I believe that's a recent movement of the goal posts; it's still quite common among conservatives to believe that climate change is a hoax.
  - eanzenberg 7y ago
    Perhaps. Climate change has been scientific since what, the 70s or 80s? Only recently have we seen repeated significant increases in the global mean temperature. This means early skeptics now are forced to choose reality vs. being a conspiracy theorist. Politicians try to appeal to their base but both sides know climate change is 1) too far into the future to matter and 2) not much impact even in the far future.
    - hobs 7y ago
      No, "both sides" absolutely don't know this. In fact - climate scientists are talking about changes that need to be made in the next decade if we want to put off major ecological collapse.
brightball 7y ago
It really didn’t. There are always a few loud people who will make a global warming comment on a cold day, but for the most part I’ve seen more sentiment around how we stop it from a global perspective without just penalizing ourselves. There’s also a very high degree of sentiment for more nuclear power and seeing opposition to it as double speak when it comes to climate change. Essentially, if you’re truly concerned about the environmental impact of coal power, etc but you oppose nuclear then you don’t really want to solve the problem as much as push a specific agenda. IMO the recent trade deals in Europe mandating high tariffs on imports from countries who don’t have a carbon policy in place is on the right track.
seanmcdirmid 7y ago
I think the biggest opponent of climate change is simply apathy. It is not that those people don't believe in it, they just don't care. It isn't as tangible or life quality effecting in the immediate term as air pollution was. It is more like the water will rise a bit, so what? Getting Americans to take climate change seriously will require a huge undertaking.

eanzenberg 7y ago

The boy crying wolf has been crying for a few decades now. Didn’t Gore say we’d be underwater by now?

mehrdadn 7y ago

> They know they’ve been burned at least once over environmental issues. What is this referring to?

TimTheTinker 7y ago
Recycling.