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Microsoft CEO Satya Nadella Comes to Red Hat Summit

157 points by CrankyBear 8y ago

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asdfman123 8y ago
King-Beyond-The-Wall visits Castle Black; understands he must join forces with the southerners to fight the army of the dead because Winter is Coming.
- sudeepj 8y ago
  I would have thought MS to be Warden of the North and Linux to be wildlings (or free-folk) given the way they treated it/them in the past.
- EpicEng 8y ago
  But due to an increased focus on production values over character development and story, the king beyond the wall appears only for a short time during a lunch break to dance wildly upon the tables and promptly runs away.
bdz 8y ago
Video of the full Q&A https://youtu.be/7YYqJZIvw2U https://youtu.be/7YYqJZIvw2U
kitd 8y ago
So we could yet see IBM Cloud private running on Red Hat Openshift, all hosted by Microsoft Azure.
- outside1234 8y ago
  IBM Cloud isn't working, so that is entirely possible, especially versus IBM having to shut it down.
  - webwanderings 8y ago
    IBM Cloud Private is not as same as IBM Cloud. IBM Cloud Private is a Kubernetes+ product which is similar to Red Hat's Open Shift.
  - kmlx 8y ago
    neither is azure ;)
    - jsgo 8y ago
      what's wrong with Azure? I mean, if you're against cloud hosting that's fine, but what is wrong with Azure specifically?
ThJ 8y ago
Two perspectives on the recent grand entry of Microsoft into the Linux space: 1. Linux won in the embedded (ARM devices), mobile (Android) and server spaces, and this is Microsoft bowing to that. 2. This is Microsoft's embrace, extend and extinguish strategy from the 1990s in a new wrapper. They just had to do it to an operating system this time. Not sure if these perspectives are correct, but I'm just throwing them out there as food for thought.
- linuxftw 8y ago
  This has nothing to do with the article. This is about openshift, not linux (albiet, openshift runs on linux). They seem to be embracing openshift as a prominent k8s distro on their cloud, which I think is interesting. Instead of attempting to create their own EKS type service, they're providing an openshift platform.
  - nax99 8y ago
    I'm sure there are no other deals between MSFT, RedHat and IBM. The timing to pressure Linus into "approving" the CoC (MSFT is Platinum sponsor of the Linux Foundation) also fits well into the embrace/destruct-or-take-over strategy.
  - ABS 8y ago
    Azure already has AKS, the equivalent of EKS: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/azure/aks/ https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/azure/aks/
    - linuxftw 8y ago
      Good to know. I'm not well versed on Azure. Interesting that they want to support both. They most sense some kind of demand ontop of openshift.
  - simonebrunozzi 8y ago
    I see this move as Microsoft not being convinced that backing k8s is the best strategy at the moment. Also, Openshift and Red Hat are "closer" to enterprise IT and therefore a good chance to capture "containerization" opportunities in large IT orgs.
gdsdfe 8y ago
I think what Nadella is doing at MSFT is truly remarkable, refocus on adding value and shifting from Ballmer's broken model ... interesting times.
- baybal2 8y ago
  I'm hearing this sentiment more and more frequently. I, however, don't see him doing anything to that "broken model." Since Ballmer left, Microsoft actually got even more dependent on plumpy "corporate" clients. It just people who once self hosted AD now got upsold on running their AD and other corporate software on Azure.
  - xakk 8y ago
    Can't criticize Nadella here. You will be able to do so in 5 years when something evil happens. Then HN will be trying to determine how this could possibly have happened.
  - la_barba 8y ago
    Your claim about MS not focusing on their retail side might be accurate, but that in and of itself doesn't really mean anything. The stock market (i know .. i know.. ) seems to have accepted MS's "broken" model, and its stock price has tripled (or something like that) under Nadella. Certainly, its not a company that people seem to think is broken in any mainstream way of thinking about a business.
    - baybal2 8y ago
      > The stock market (i know .. i know.. ) seems to have accepted MS's "broken" model, and its stock price has tripled (or something like that) under Nadella Well, as it did under Ballmer, under same circumstances. He also did pretty much the same — doubling down on milking plumpy corporate clients while streamlining the business in overall + doing some disasterous acquisitions which were nevertheless welcomed by Wall street analysts
      - 8y ago
kitchenkarma 8y ago
Embrace, Extend, Extinguish. I have no reason to believe Microsoft has changed. I only experienced hostility so far from this company.
BossingAround 8y ago
What I wonder is, does anyone have OpenShift experience here? If so, what do you think of it? And compared to Kubernetes? I know OpenShift is Kubernetes plus extra features, but that doesn't necessarily mean it's better.
- stuff4ben 8y ago
  Openshift is Kubernetes...with a few more things bolted on. Currently running it at scale at Cisco and pretty happy with it and support from RedHat.
  - moderation 8y ago
    Openshift is a fork of Kubernetes...with a few more things bolted on. I think the distinction is important. Development occurs in a separate repo and the upstream Kubernetes code is backported into that repo. Similar to how Red Hat handles RHEL.
- zubairq 8y ago
  OpenShift is an implementation of the Kubernetes spec
  - BossingAround 8y ago
    I know. But Kubernetes doesn't require 16 GB of ram on the master node to run, for example. There's a ton of differences between Kubernetes and OpenShift, hence why I'm asking. The fact that OpenShift is a superset of Kubernetes precisely means there's differences.
- pat2man 8y ago
  We have been using it for a few years. Its a complete solution for deploying apps (with logging, monitoring, rolling deployments, etc) and it has a pretty nice UI. Once you have it set up its as easy to use as Heroku. Can't really imagine a better solution for medium sized projects.
- INTPenis 8y ago
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shams93 8y ago
Azure has become my go-to place to deploy nodejs, I used to use AWS exclusively but Aws is brutally complex while Nadella's team have done an amazing job with the clarity and usability of the azure UI.
- shams93 8y ago
  However I still use AWS ses because nobody has anything that compares with ses and Amazon's transactional messaging service I'm general.
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test001only 8y ago
It looks like Google is loosing hacker confidence while Microsoft is gaining them. Am not able to keep count of the number of times I have been burnt because of Google's decision to drop support for their products, change functionality after buying then and inane UI changes. Contrast that to experience with Microsoft, I can't recall that many instances.
- ilaksh 8y ago
  I consider myself to be roughly in the category of "hacker" in the context of that sentence. I don't have confidence in The Google controlling everything any more than I do with MS. I used to be an MS developer many years ago. I will say one positive thing -- MS makes a lot of very useful development tools. However, I'm amazed that people think it's not MS anymore. They have not gained my confidence in any way in terms of this supposed altruism or whatever. Linux in some ways has been one of very few possible Windows competitors on the desktop. The fact they they essentially decided to just swallow Linux into Windows does not make me think they are more friendly to Linux. They will set it up so that it will _seem_ like your are developing for Linux, but due to some extensions or technicality it will only work on _Linux inside of Windows_. So from my perspective it is amazing that people think this is a good thing for Linux.
  - MrEldritch 8y ago
    I doubt this will happen. For one thing, the dominant targets for Linux are servers and embedded systems - both of which are cases where resource overhead is pretty important. Running a Windows to run Linux inside of incurs a pretty substantial overhead, so I really can't see any case where developers would be willing (or even necessarily able) to spare the resources to install Windows on their formerly-Linux-only targets just to maintain the convenience of getting to develop for "Linux" on their Windows PCs. And desktop apps developed for WSL will simply never be Linux-compatible out of the box at this rate, given that WSL does not contain any graphical or UI functions; MSFT has been pretty clear about this right from the start, and so I really can't see a scenario where people mistakenly believe just developing user-facing applications for WSL will make them "just work" on Linux, given that all the UI code is on the Windows side.
richardriko 8y ago
Embrace Extend Extinguish

157 points by CrankyBear 8y ago

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King-Beyond-The-Wall visits Castle Black; understands he must join forces with the southerners to fight the army of the dead because Winter is Coming.

sudeepj 8y ago
I would have thought MS to be Warden of the North and Linux to be wildlings (or free-folk) given the way they treated it/them in the past.
EpicEng 8y ago
But due to an increased focus on production values over character development and story, the king beyond the wall appears only for a short time during a lunch break to dance wildly upon the tables and promptly runs away.

bdz 8y ago

Video of the full Q&A https://youtu.be/7YYqJZIvw2U https://youtu.be/7YYqJZIvw2U

kitd 8y ago

So we could yet see IBM Cloud private running on Red Hat Openshift, all hosted by Microsoft Azure.

outside1234 8y ago
IBM Cloud isn't working, so that is entirely possible, especially versus IBM having to shut it down.
- webwanderings 8y ago
  IBM Cloud Private is not as same as IBM Cloud. IBM Cloud Private is a Kubernetes+ product which is similar to Red Hat's Open Shift.
- kmlx 8y ago
  neither is azure ;)
  - jsgo 8y ago
    what's wrong with Azure? I mean, if you're against cloud hosting that's fine, but what is wrong with Azure specifically?

ThJ 8y ago

Two perspectives on the recent grand entry of Microsoft into the Linux space: 1. Linux won in the embedded (ARM devices), mobile (Android) and server spaces, and this is Microsoft bowing to that. 2. This is Microsoft's embrace, extend and extinguish strategy from the 1990s in a new wrapper. They just had to do it to an operating system this time. Not sure if these perspectives are correct, but I'm just throwing them out there as food for thought.

linuxftw 8y ago
This has nothing to do with the article. This is about openshift, not linux (albiet, openshift runs on linux). They seem to be embracing openshift as a prominent k8s distro on their cloud, which I think is interesting. Instead of attempting to create their own EKS type service, they're providing an openshift platform.
- nax99 8y ago
  I'm sure there are no other deals between MSFT, RedHat and IBM. The timing to pressure Linus into "approving" the CoC (MSFT is Platinum sponsor of the Linux Foundation) also fits well into the embrace/destruct-or-take-over strategy.
- ABS 8y ago
  Azure already has AKS, the equivalent of EKS: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/azure/aks/ https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/azure/aks/
  - linuxftw 8y ago
    Good to know. I'm not well versed on Azure. Interesting that they want to support both. They most sense some kind of demand ontop of openshift.
- simonebrunozzi 8y ago
  I see this move as Microsoft not being convinced that backing k8s is the best strategy at the moment. Also, Openshift and Red Hat are "closer" to enterprise IT and therefore a good chance to capture "containerization" opportunities in large IT orgs.

gdsdfe 8y ago

I think what Nadella is doing at MSFT is truly remarkable, refocus on adding value and shifting from Ballmer's broken model ... interesting times.

baybal2 8y ago
I'm hearing this sentiment more and more frequently. I, however, don't see him doing anything to that "broken model." Since Ballmer left, Microsoft actually got even more dependent on plumpy "corporate" clients. It just people who once self hosted AD now got upsold on running their AD and other corporate software on Azure.
- xakk 8y ago
  Can't criticize Nadella here. You will be able to do so in 5 years when something evil happens. Then HN will be trying to determine how this could possibly have happened.
- la_barba 8y ago
  Your claim about MS not focusing on their retail side might be accurate, but that in and of itself doesn't really mean anything. The stock market (i know .. i know.. ) seems to have accepted MS's "broken" model, and its stock price has tripled (or something like that) under Nadella. Certainly, its not a company that people seem to think is broken in any mainstream way of thinking about a business.
  - baybal2 8y ago
    > The stock market (i know .. i know.. ) seems to have accepted MS's "broken" model, and its stock price has tripled (or something like that) under Nadella Well, as it did under Ballmer, under same circumstances. He also did pretty much the same — doubling down on milking plumpy corporate clients while streamlining the business in overall + doing some disasterous acquisitions which were nevertheless welcomed by Wall street analysts
    - 8y ago

kitchenkarma 8y ago

Embrace, Extend, Extinguish. I have no reason to believe Microsoft has changed. I only experienced hostility so far from this company.

BossingAround 8y ago

What I wonder is, does anyone have OpenShift experience here? If so, what do you think of it? And compared to Kubernetes? I know OpenShift is Kubernetes plus extra features, but that doesn't necessarily mean it's better.

stuff4ben 8y ago
Openshift is Kubernetes...with a few more things bolted on. Currently running it at scale at Cisco and pretty happy with it and support from RedHat.
- moderation 8y ago
  Openshift is a fork of Kubernetes...with a few more things bolted on. I think the distinction is important. Development occurs in a separate repo and the upstream Kubernetes code is backported into that repo. Similar to how Red Hat handles RHEL.
zubairq 8y ago
OpenShift is an implementation of the Kubernetes spec
- BossingAround 8y ago
  I know. But Kubernetes doesn't require 16 GB of ram on the master node to run, for example. There's a ton of differences between Kubernetes and OpenShift, hence why I'm asking. The fact that OpenShift is a superset of Kubernetes precisely means there's differences.
pat2man 8y ago
We have been using it for a few years. Its a complete solution for deploying apps (with logging, monitoring, rolling deployments, etc) and it has a pretty nice UI. Once you have it set up its as easy to use as Heroku. Can't really imagine a better solution for medium sized projects.
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shams93 8y ago

Azure has become my go-to place to deploy nodejs, I used to use AWS exclusively but Aws is brutally complex while Nadella's team have done an amazing job with the clarity and usability of the azure UI.

shams93 8y ago
However I still use AWS ses because nobody has anything that compares with ses and Amazon's transactional messaging service I'm general.

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test001only 8y ago

It looks like Google is loosing hacker confidence while Microsoft is gaining them. Am not able to keep count of the number of times I have been burnt because of Google's decision to drop support for their products, change functionality after buying then and inane UI changes. Contrast that to experience with Microsoft, I can't recall that many instances.

ilaksh 8y ago
I consider myself to be roughly in the category of "hacker" in the context of that sentence. I don't have confidence in The Google controlling everything any more than I do with MS. I used to be an MS developer many years ago. I will say one positive thing -- MS makes a lot of very useful development tools. However, I'm amazed that people think it's not MS anymore. They have not gained my confidence in any way in terms of this supposed altruism or whatever. Linux in some ways has been one of very few possible Windows competitors on the desktop. The fact they they essentially decided to just swallow Linux into Windows does not make me think they are more friendly to Linux. They will set it up so that it will _seem_ like your are developing for Linux, but due to some extensions or technicality it will only work on _Linux inside of Windows_. So from my perspective it is amazing that people think this is a good thing for Linux.
- MrEldritch 8y ago
  I doubt this will happen. For one thing, the dominant targets for Linux are servers and embedded systems - both of which are cases where resource overhead is pretty important. Running a Windows to run Linux inside of incurs a pretty substantial overhead, so I really can't see any case where developers would be willing (or even necessarily able) to spare the resources to install Windows on their formerly-Linux-only targets just to maintain the convenience of getting to develop for "Linux" on their Windows PCs. And desktop apps developed for WSL will simply never be Linux-compatible out of the box at this rate, given that WSL does not contain any graphical or UI functions; MSFT has been pretty clear about this right from the start, and so I really can't see a scenario where people mistakenly believe just developing user-facing applications for WSL will make them "just work" on Linux, given that all the UI code is on the Windows side.

richardriko 8y ago

Embrace Extend Extinguish