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China is becoming an increasingly big threat to the west and it’s values, only because it’s a communist dictatorship. With the rise of the middle class and the

by quotz 7y ago

China is becoming an increasingly big threat to the west and it’s values, only because it’s a communist dictatorship. With the rise of the middle class and the ultra rich in China, I dont know for how long with the communist party stay in power. It seems the government censorship and all the spying does work for controlling the people into believing the government is doing good to them...

rossdavidh 7y ago
China hasn't actually been communist in a long time. I think the current situation is that the growing middle class will give at least tacit support, so long as they keep growing. With memories of the late 60's still hanging over that nation, they prize stability more than nations that haven't lost it in living memory. Now, if the economy turns really sour, then like Indonesia in the 90's they may discover that the populace gets restless very quickly. But, for now, I think the Chinese middle class is not in the mood to make big trouble.
- eternalban 7y ago
  The Chinese have found (or been given) the modern Middle Kingdom under the rule of the Communist Party. What is happening in China is what has always happened in China. Certain invariables that even the Cultural Revolution could not erase from the Chinese nation. What China dislodged during the reign of Mao was out dated forms of these invariables. Confucius is out, Party Chairman's 'thoughts' are in. The West is used to seeing the decrepit aspect of the Chinese and associates that with its characteristic societal structure. But this nation also has an aspect of splendor. This renewed splendor appears to bother some in the West. In fact, any sort of renewal of Asia not under the control of the West is "alarming" to the West. Don't worry. Asians don't hold grudges .. ;)
  - tiredyam 7y ago
    every country has its history. That does not justify China’s human rights violations. I am all for China overtaking the throne as the global hegemony, if they cared about human rights outside of the Han people. Stopping the genocide on the western part of China would be a start. Either way, US being number two may give us a much needed gut punch. We can trim some of our collective fat.
    - quotz 7y ago
      I mean, China only got where it's now by stealing tech from the US and EU. Either with spies, or by letting foreign companies "compete" in China, only if they partner up with a local company, and then for the government to clench the foreign company so that they finally quit the market. Also, if the IP was actually protected, Chinese companies would have to pay billions back to the US and EU... I only like Trump because he sees the bigger picture in terms of China being a threat, how much China is making a fool of the west, and also due to the tax cuts.
      - age_of_stone 7y ago
        are you sure that you've gone through some critical thinking before saying that?
        quotz 7y ago
        Are you perhaps Chinese? All your comments are about defending China regarding the same issues. Its funny. Have you heard of those government actors in China that are paid to flag comments and write good comments about the government
lopmotr 7y ago
For the vast majority of Chinese, the government is doing good to them. They keep getting wealthier and their quality of life keeps going up. You might think it's better to be a starving peasant in a country with western values than a middle class programmer who can't vote, but not everyone agrees. Western values are invented by and for western people and are only really a few decades old (remember when gay sex was illegal by western values? Remember the Vietnam war draft?). Chinese people don't necessarily copy the same values, just as we don't copy Confucian or Islamic values.

by quotz 7y ago

rossdavidh 7y ago

China hasn't actually been communist in a long time. I think the current situation is that the growing middle class will give at least tacit support, so long as they keep growing. With memories of the late 60's still hanging over that nation, they prize stability more than nations that haven't lost it in living memory. Now, if the economy turns really sour, then like Indonesia in the 90's they may discover that the populace gets restless very quickly. But, for now, I think the Chinese middle class is not in the mood to make big trouble.

eternalban 7y ago
The Chinese have found (or been given) the modern Middle Kingdom under the rule of the Communist Party. What is happening in China is what has always happened in China. Certain invariables that even the Cultural Revolution could not erase from the Chinese nation. What China dislodged during the reign of Mao was out dated forms of these invariables. Confucius is out, Party Chairman's 'thoughts' are in. The West is used to seeing the decrepit aspect of the Chinese and associates that with its characteristic societal structure. But this nation also has an aspect of splendor. This renewed splendor appears to bother some in the West. In fact, any sort of renewal of Asia not under the control of the West is "alarming" to the West. Don't worry. Asians don't hold grudges .. ;)
- tiredyam 7y ago
  every country has its history. That does not justify China’s human rights violations. I am all for China overtaking the throne as the global hegemony, if they cared about human rights outside of the Han people. Stopping the genocide on the western part of China would be a start. Either way, US being number two may give us a much needed gut punch. We can trim some of our collective fat.
  - quotz 7y ago
    I mean, China only got where it's now by stealing tech from the US and EU. Either with spies, or by letting foreign companies "compete" in China, only if they partner up with a local company, and then for the government to clench the foreign company so that they finally quit the market. Also, if the IP was actually protected, Chinese companies would have to pay billions back to the US and EU... I only like Trump because he sees the bigger picture in terms of China being a threat, how much China is making a fool of the west, and also due to the tax cuts.
    - age_of_stone 7y ago
      are you sure that you've gone through some critical thinking before saying that?
      - quotz 7y ago
        Are you perhaps Chinese? All your comments are about defending China regarding the same issues. Its funny. Have you heard of those government actors in China that are paid to flag comments and write good comments about the government

lopmotr 7y ago

For the vast majority of Chinese, the government is doing good to them. They keep getting wealthier and their quality of life keeps going up. You might think it's better to be a starving peasant in a country with western values than a middle class programmer who can't vote, but not everyone agrees. Western values are invented by and for western people and are only really a few decades old (remember when gay sex was illegal by western values? Remember the Vietnam war draft?). Chinese people don't necessarily copy the same values, just as we don't copy Confucian or Islamic values.