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Ok, so Edward Snowden runs off with few terabytes of NSA data. He briefly stops in China, before finally going to Russia. Now NSA hacking tools are used against
by mamon 7y ago
Ok, so Edward Snowden runs off with few terabytes of NSA data. He briefly stops in China, before finally going to Russia. Now NSA hacking tools are used against US and we are supposed to believe that "Chinese did not steal the code but captured it from an N.S.A. attack on their own computers".
Somehow I'm not convinced.
- sexy_seedbox 7y ago> He briefly stops in China, before finally going to Russia. Hong Kong is NOT China.
- rossdavidh 7y agoWell, it is and it isn't. But I think any tools he had that long ago would not be newsworthy by now.
- jessaustin 7y agoYeah that's what I was thinking. 4 years between Snowden's releases and Vault 7, and another 2 years from then until now. Most 0-days don't live that long. Not to mention the fact that Snowden has always refused to work with Wikileaks... The conspiracies that people treasure are quite revealing.
- omeid2 7y agoWhile I don't believe the allegation about ES and CN. > Hong Kong is NOT China. It actually is, while HK enjoys a high degree of autonomy, it is still a "special administrative regions" of China and has been since 1997 when the 99 year lease expired.
- lopmotr 7y agoThere isn't a clear definition of what counts as part of a country. For this purpose, it's about access to intelligence. By that standard, Britain is part of America too because they share intelligence. If it's decided by the country that claims it, then many disputed regions belong to more than one country. If it's decided by international agreement, then what happens when they don't agree? Like Taiwan and other disputed regions. What about Puerto Rico? Is that part of the US? If it's about control of the government and military, was Iraq part of the US when it was occupied?
- tepidandroid 7y agoIt most definitely is.
- markdown 7y agoHong Kong is China like Puerto Rico is USA.
- gatherhunterer 7y agoThat is a poor comparison. Hong Kong has a judicial system unto itself that was inherited from its colonial occupiers, which is why aspects of Common Law are often recognized in Hong Kong. Puerto Rico has no governmental autonomy.
- markdown 7y agoHaving spent some time in Hong Kong, I'm well aware of that. But I meant in the context of this discussion. China's intelligence agencies consider Hong Kong to be home turf just like the Puerto Rico is home soil for the NSA.
- iso-8859-1 7y agoWhat about American Samoa? Currently, only people with sufficient American Samoan heritage are allowed to own land. According to people interviewed in Radiolab, this law is in conflict with the American constitution, which is why some American Samoans resist having full citizenship, as presumably that would force them to adhere to the American constitution. [0]: https://www.wnycstudios.org/story/americanish https://www.wnycstudios.org/story/americanish
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- lopmotr 7y agoYou have a high standard for being convinced so more news stories won't convince you than normal people. That's fine, but be careful that the ones which do convince you (Snowden stayed in Hong Kong, for instance), really are stronger than those that don't. Otherwise you probably have a bias that's making judgments for you.