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Shipments of PC Hard Drives Predicted to Drop by Nearly 50% in 2019

49 points by awiesenhofer 7y ago

phalangion 7y ago
Makes sense. SSDs are bigger and cheaper than ever. Not as much need for spinning metal drives. Not that the need is gone, but most people can probably get by with a single large SSD where before they need an SSD and HDD to store media. Still a pretty sharp drop for one year.
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djsumdog 7y ago
I'm one of those weird data horders that still buys high capacity drives. I take a lot of RAW photos and videos and I prefer to buy and not rent a license to my music (and I like using sites like Bandcamp to support independent artists). I recently got a 14TB as a new primary, 10TB secondary, along with similar capacity backup drives. I hope this trend doesn't mean consumer hard drives are going to get more expensive going forward. I keep reading about people predicting SSDs are going to hit the same price/capacity as spinning disks, but I just don't see it with the large >10TB volumes any time soon.
- myself248 7y ago
  I think it was last year, after ordering a 2TB SSD, that I realized I've probably already bought the last mechanical hard drive of my life. I could go for one more round of 10TB's or something to max out my Drobo, but by the time those seem small, I do expect SSDs to have overtaken them. "No way, Grandpa, magnets were never FREE!" "Well, not free exactly, but we'd harvest them out of our discarded hard drives! Those were a sort of data storage machine, you've probably seen pictures." "But when you removed the magnets, didn't that mean forfeiting the rare-earth-element deposit?"
  - rasz 7y ago
    Not if you care about stored data. We already had Samsung drives starting to forget contents after few months with a firmware patch forcing periodic rewrite. SSD (using flash technology) will never replace HDD, unless you dont care about retention. Something else past SSD (phase change etc) might eventually reach that goal.
    - sacheendra 7y ago
      For those use cases where retention is a priority, they maybe better served by bluray discs or tapes. HDDs are being squeezed on both sides. By SSDs for daily use. By discs and tapes for long term storage.
      - walterbell 7y ago
        How much does a USB3 tape drive + tape cost? Blu-ray disc is 50GB. 10TB hard disks cost about $180 on sale, which would take 200 Blu-ray discs.
        dragontamer 7y ago
        I do some video editing sometimes. I tried to archive one of my projects to Blu-Ray (all of the clips, video files, etc. etc.). Storing 300GB in 6 different BluRays means 6-points of failure. And more importantly, BluRays have a 20MB/s read/write speed. Modern Hard Drives read/write at roughly 200MB/s. A 5TB Hard Drive is just far more convenient, faster, and reliable than stacks-and-stacks of BluRays. A BluRay is great for the "50GB of important data" (Tax returns, resume, other important documents). Having one 50GB "highly reliable" source of storage is great. You can clone that one disk, leave some at your parent's house / some other house you trust, have 3x disks for redundancy at home, etc. etc. Its the easiest way to achieve high-reliability. Oh, and leave a copy in your 5TB Hard Drives too, for convenience sake. But BluRays are cheap for copies and long-term reliability. But they're otherwise awful to work with in my experience.
        7y ago
- topspin 7y ago
  > I keep reading about people predicting SSDs are going to hit the same price/capacity as spinning disks Flash doesn't actually have to reach the same price/capacity ratio to wipe out the small end of the HDD market. The performance and solid state nature of flash provide so much value that few will opt for a HDD when they can have a flash device, even if the flash device is smaller and a little more expensive. Also, at some point not having flash IOPS will become intolerable. Large disks will survive while they have the price/capacity ratio advantage, but the small end of the HDD market is dead. And yes, I do believe this means that the price floor of HDD will climb as the number of lines building HDDs decreases.
  - flukus 7y ago
    The small end is why I'm still buying (or at least was a few years ago) machines with spinning disks. Even now looking at the surface range, the surface go has all the computing power I need but is hobbled by a 64GB SSD and jumping from that at $499AU to the 512GB I'd consider the bare minimum you have to spend $2,879.00AU and upgrade several other components I don't care about.
    - nicoburns 7y ago
      However for devices with a standard 2.5" bay, a 500gb ssd only cost £99 (and an hhd is £50)
      - wtallis 7y ago
        You must not have checked SSD prices since last fall or earlier. https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0786QNS9B https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0786QNS9B 500GB SSD for £49.98. M.2 SATA versions are £5-10 more.
- mrob 7y ago
  Consumer hard drives are already getting more expensive in some cases. I bought a 8TB shingled magnetic recording[0] hard drive about two years ago, and recently tried to buy another one but I couldn't find any in stock. I bought a more expensive non-shingled drive instead. I assume nobody sells shingled drives to consumers anymore because people are too stupid to understand what it means and think the very slow random write performance is a defect. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shingled_magnetic_recording https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shingled_magnetic_recording
- wtallis 7y ago
  > I keep reading about people predicting SSDs are going to hit the same price/capacity as spinning disks, but I just don't see it with the large >10TB volumes any time soon. To elaborate on this: $/TB varies widely depending on total drive capacity. The fixed costs of hard drive spindle motors, actuators, etc. are higher than the costs of an SSD controller and PCB. Adding a platter to a hard drive is cheaper on a per-GB basis than adding more NAND flash to an SSD, but there's a crossover point below which SSDs have cheaper price per GB and small hard drives are no longer economical to manufacture. That crossover point has now risen to encompass the majority of consumer use cases, but it is nowhere near 10TB and won't be anytime soon. That crossover point also seems to be moving upward much faster than typical consumer storage needs, so we can expect this segment of the hard drive market to continue to wither.
  - the8472 7y ago
    > That crossover point has now risen to encompass the majority of consumer use cases cheapest drives measured in price/capacity HDDs: 2TB @ 0.017€/GB M.2 SSDs: 2TB @ 0.1€/GB I see no crossover point here. SSDs are not even touching the the same order of magnitude.
    - nicoburns 7y ago
      The crossover point is currently around 256gb. 500gb is close. 1tb/2tb isn't there yet. But it likely won't be too long.
      - the8472 7y ago
        2.5" HDD, 250GB @ 0.059€/GB 2.5" SSD, 256GB @ 0.108€/GB Still not seeing it. And I don't consider these ranges practical. But I guess some people must since they're still made.
        wtallis 7y ago
        Pay a little more attention to the hard drives you're looking at. Almost all the product listings for tiny hard drives are for models that are several generations old, usually with branding that the manufacturers have long since retired (WD Caviar, Seagate Momentus). The cheapest listings are often grey market sellers of old stock with no manufacturer's warranty. Seagate has abandoned all capacities below 500GB, and they offer limited options for form factor and RPM at 500GB. Western Digital still lists one 250GB model and two 320GB models, but none of them are cheaper than a 480GB-class SATA SSD. Current 500GB hard drives start at $38-40, and 480GB SSDs start around $48-50. These capacities are sufficient for typical consumers.
- walterbell 7y ago
  From another thread: http://serverbuilds.net http://serverbuilds.net and associated forum/chat is an active community for affordable DIY NAS with used enterprise hardware and FreeNAS, Unraid, ESXi, etc.
- blihp 7y ago
  The good news is the mid- to high-end of the hard drive market will be the last to go as SSD can't compete there (yet). The bad news is that in the short term I would expect progress in mechanical drives (both cost and absolute capacity) to slow even more than it already has over the last decade as the market opportunity will warrant less investment by storage companies. By the time the end game plays out, there will be cost effective alternatives. (whether or not they'll be available to consumers is a different question) Look at it this way: the optical drive/disc market has been 'dead' for years but you can still pick up a new DVD burner for ~$20. Hard drives will likely follow suit: at some point it won't make sense for hard drive manufacturers to invest in developing new drives, but they'll keep churning out the existing stuff for years and years until demand dries up. They've already done the expensive part (developing the drives, establishing supply chains, building the plants and setting up the manufacturing lines), and will keep doing the cheap part (actually making them) as long as there's a market.
  - mixmastamyk 7y ago
    Yes, I recently looked up the BR burner and discs I bought circa 2010 for large backups of photos, etc. Drives, capacities, speeds all about the same, which was mildly surprising.
- d1zzy 7y ago
  Recently I've joined the home NAS crowd. I never thought I would but it just happened naturally. I was rewatching the GoT BluRays to prepare for the new season and it was very frustrating having to change discs every 2 episodes, taking forever to load a disc, printing the same stupid copyright warning every disc. So instead I went and ripped them (funny that the copyright message saying not to copy them was a factor in convincing me to actually do so). But then I started running out of disk space so here I am a few weeks later using RAID5 and multiple drives exposed through the LAN and having ripped my entire BluRay library. It's actually quite cool in that I now get both the benefits of streaming (can play any ripped title on demand whenever I feel like it) and none of the drawbacks: doesn't need Internet nor does it use my monthly traffic limit, it's at much higher quality than any Internet stream (GoT BluRay episodes average at around 35mbit/sec while an Internet stream doesn't go above 5mbit) and there are no "concurrent streams" limit (well, other than the one inherent to the speed of my LAN/NAS but I've yet to hit that one).
topspin 7y ago
My guess is that demand for hard drives less than 3TB+ is going to dry up and production will end. There isn't much point in small hard drives any more; at the same price people would rather cope with less flash storage than more HDD.
- cm2187 7y ago
  Agree. On the other hand there should be a long term appetite from large capacity hard drive from datacentres. The flow of data being captured isn’t reducing.
  - antt 7y ago
    Not sure about that. Tape drives have always been better for long term storage.
TheOperator 7y ago
Hard drives are very nearly dead for hot storage. I expect them to by wholly dead by the end of 2020 because the TCO of HDDs is going to outstrip that of SSDs because of the fundamentally lower reliability.
- mjevans 7y ago
  My personal, offhand, experience is that SSDs tend to fail about 2 or 3 times sooner than a hard disk. I'd need for SSDs to actually be CHEAPER per gigabyte for the trade-off in expected lifetime to make sense. PS: If your hard drives 'fail' try scrubbing (forced re-write) them every 2 years or so...
  - jschwartzi 7y ago
    You'll need to do this with NAND-based devices as well, as NAND tends to lose data integrity as data is repeatedly read out.
    - gruez 7y ago
      >as NAND tends to lose data integrity as data is repeatedly read out This doesn't tend to be an issue because the controller can automatically rewrite the cells as needed. What is an issue is if you leave the SSD unpowered for a few months and the cells leak enough charge to be unreadable.
      - mjevans 7y ago
        I suspect most SSD firmware actually does automatic old-age scrubbing of somekind within the firmware. This theory seems likely confirmed with your offline decay theory.
  - PhantomGremlin 7y ago
    My personal, offhand, experience is that SSDs tend to fail about 2 or 3 times sooner than a hard disk. My anecdotal experience matches yours. In addition, SSDs often fail catastrophically. Total loss of data, not just some bad sectors. They're worse than hard disks in that regard.
woliveirajr 7y ago
I remember when SDD would suffer from catastrophic failures and weren't considered for long term storage (even in pro-home solutions). Now we have people complaining that HDD aren't reliable (but I suspect we still can recover data from the plates in almost all HDD kind of failure) HDD, SDD, external HDD and some cloud: trying to have all these working together with redundancy is my next goal.
- golergka 7y ago
  For my pro-home solution (audio production), Dropbox solves all my backup needs. All my work folders are in Dropbox, and if my hard drive explodes, at most I'd lose a dozen of minutes of work.
  - Wowfunhappy 7y ago
    Now imagine if you were doing video production instead of audio production. You'd need to spend a fortune to store all that in Dropbox.
    - losteric 7y ago
      Backblaze?
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    - icebraining 7y ago
      Apparently $720/year gets you an account for "as much as you need". Not cheap, but then again syncing isn't backing up.
  - currysausage 7y ago
    It solves all backup needs, until it doesn't. https://petapixel.com/2014/07/31/cautionary-tale-bug-dropbox-permanently-deleted-8000-photos/ https://petapixel.com/2014/07/31/cautionary-tale-bug-dropbox...
neilv 7y ago
Any idea when we'll see a 2.5" SATA drive of 8 TB, and at what price point?
- poglet 7y ago
  This might be what your looking for: Micron 5200 Series 7680GB https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA0ZX7U89254 https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA0ZX7U89...
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pmiller2 7y ago
This is interesting, but is it really as simple as "laptops are now using SSDs over HDDs"? I'd like to see some more detailed analysis of this prediction.
- myself248 7y ago
  As recently as 2 years ago, Lenovo tried to sell me a laptop with a mechanical HDD. They actually succeeded -- their price for an SSD was insane -- but I ripped it out and replaced it immediately. Today a mechanical HDD isn't even an option. The new generation of the same machine is offered only with a PCIe SSD. That's just one point of anecdata, but I think it's a pretty stark one.
- sdinsn 7y ago
  I think another factor is that HDD that are included in computers are larger by default. So instead of shipping with a 256GB HDD and forcing the customer to buy another one later, it ships with a 2TB HDD.

49 points by awiesenhofer 7y ago

Makes sense. SSDs are bigger and cheaper than ever. Not as much need for spinning metal drives. Not that the need is gone, but most people can probably get by with a single large SSD where before they need an SSD and HDD to store media. Still a pretty sharp drop for one year.

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djsumdog 7y ago

I'm one of those weird data horders that still buys high capacity drives. I take a lot of RAW photos and videos and I prefer to buy and not rent a license to my music (and I like using sites like Bandcamp to support independent artists). I recently got a 14TB as a new primary, 10TB secondary, along with similar capacity backup drives. I hope this trend doesn't mean consumer hard drives are going to get more expensive going forward. I keep reading about people predicting SSDs are going to hit the same price/capacity as spinning disks, but I just don't see it with the large >10TB volumes any time soon.

myself248 7y ago
I think it was last year, after ordering a 2TB SSD, that I realized I've probably already bought the last mechanical hard drive of my life. I could go for one more round of 10TB's or something to max out my Drobo, but by the time those seem small, I do expect SSDs to have overtaken them. "No way, Grandpa, magnets were never FREE!" "Well, not free exactly, but we'd harvest them out of our discarded hard drives! Those were a sort of data storage machine, you've probably seen pictures." "But when you removed the magnets, didn't that mean forfeiting the rare-earth-element deposit?"
- rasz 7y ago
  Not if you care about stored data. We already had Samsung drives starting to forget contents after few months with a firmware patch forcing periodic rewrite. SSD (using flash technology) will never replace HDD, unless you dont care about retention. Something else past SSD (phase change etc) might eventually reach that goal.
  - sacheendra 7y ago
    For those use cases where retention is a priority, they maybe better served by bluray discs or tapes. HDDs are being squeezed on both sides. By SSDs for daily use. By discs and tapes for long term storage.
    - walterbell 7y ago
      How much does a USB3 tape drive + tape cost? Blu-ray disc is 50GB. 10TB hard disks cost about $180 on sale, which would take 200 Blu-ray discs.
      - dragontamer 7y ago
        I do some video editing sometimes. I tried to archive one of my projects to Blu-Ray (all of the clips, video files, etc. etc.). Storing 300GB in 6 different BluRays means 6-points of failure. And more importantly, BluRays have a 20MB/s read/write speed. Modern Hard Drives read/write at roughly 200MB/s. A 5TB Hard Drive is just far more convenient, faster, and reliable than stacks-and-stacks of BluRays. A BluRay is great for the "50GB of important data" (Tax returns, resume, other important documents). Having one 50GB "highly reliable" source of storage is great. You can clone that one disk, leave some at your parent's house / some other house you trust, have 3x disks for redundancy at home, etc. etc. Its the easiest way to achieve high-reliability. Oh, and leave a copy in your 5TB Hard Drives too, for convenience sake. But BluRays are cheap for copies and long-term reliability. But they're otherwise awful to work with in my experience.
        7y ago
topspin 7y ago
> I keep reading about people predicting SSDs are going to hit the same price/capacity as spinning disks Flash doesn't actually have to reach the same price/capacity ratio to wipe out the small end of the HDD market. The performance and solid state nature of flash provide so much value that few will opt for a HDD when they can have a flash device, even if the flash device is smaller and a little more expensive. Also, at some point not having flash IOPS will become intolerable. Large disks will survive while they have the price/capacity ratio advantage, but the small end of the HDD market is dead. And yes, I do believe this means that the price floor of HDD will climb as the number of lines building HDDs decreases.
- flukus 7y ago
  The small end is why I'm still buying (or at least was a few years ago) machines with spinning disks. Even now looking at the surface range, the surface go has all the computing power I need but is hobbled by a 64GB SSD and jumping from that at $499AU to the 512GB I'd consider the bare minimum you have to spend $2,879.00AU and upgrade several other components I don't care about.
  - nicoburns 7y ago
    However for devices with a standard 2.5" bay, a 500gb ssd only cost £99 (and an hhd is £50)
    - wtallis 7y ago
      You must not have checked SSD prices since last fall or earlier. https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0786QNS9B https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0786QNS9B 500GB SSD for £49.98. M.2 SATA versions are £5-10 more.
mrob 7y ago
Consumer hard drives are already getting more expensive in some cases. I bought a 8TB shingled magnetic recording[0] hard drive about two years ago, and recently tried to buy another one but I couldn't find any in stock. I bought a more expensive non-shingled drive instead. I assume nobody sells shingled drives to consumers anymore because people are too stupid to understand what it means and think the very slow random write performance is a defect. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shingled_magnetic_recording https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shingled_magnetic_recording
wtallis 7y ago
> I keep reading about people predicting SSDs are going to hit the same price/capacity as spinning disks, but I just don't see it with the large >10TB volumes any time soon. To elaborate on this: $/TB varies widely depending on total drive capacity. The fixed costs of hard drive spindle motors, actuators, etc. are higher than the costs of an SSD controller and PCB. Adding a platter to a hard drive is cheaper on a per-GB basis than adding more NAND flash to an SSD, but there's a crossover point below which SSDs have cheaper price per GB and small hard drives are no longer economical to manufacture. That crossover point has now risen to encompass the majority of consumer use cases, but it is nowhere near 10TB and won't be anytime soon. That crossover point also seems to be moving upward much faster than typical consumer storage needs, so we can expect this segment of the hard drive market to continue to wither.
- the8472 7y ago
  > That crossover point has now risen to encompass the majority of consumer use cases cheapest drives measured in price/capacity HDDs: 2TB @ 0.017€/GB M.2 SSDs: 2TB @ 0.1€/GB I see no crossover point here. SSDs are not even touching the the same order of magnitude.
  - nicoburns 7y ago
    The crossover point is currently around 256gb. 500gb is close. 1tb/2tb isn't there yet. But it likely won't be too long.
    - the8472 7y ago
      2.5" HDD, 250GB @ 0.059€/GB 2.5" SSD, 256GB @ 0.108€/GB Still not seeing it. And I don't consider these ranges practical. But I guess some people must since they're still made.
      - wtallis 7y ago
        Pay a little more attention to the hard drives you're looking at. Almost all the product listings for tiny hard drives are for models that are several generations old, usually with branding that the manufacturers have long since retired (WD Caviar, Seagate Momentus). The cheapest listings are often grey market sellers of old stock with no manufacturer's warranty. Seagate has abandoned all capacities below 500GB, and they offer limited options for form factor and RPM at 500GB. Western Digital still lists one 250GB model and two 320GB models, but none of them are cheaper than a 480GB-class SATA SSD. Current 500GB hard drives start at $38-40, and 480GB SSDs start around $48-50. These capacities are sufficient for typical consumers.
walterbell 7y ago
From another thread: http://serverbuilds.net http://serverbuilds.net and associated forum/chat is an active community for affordable DIY NAS with used enterprise hardware and FreeNAS, Unraid, ESXi, etc.
blihp 7y ago
The good news is the mid- to high-end of the hard drive market will be the last to go as SSD can't compete there (yet). The bad news is that in the short term I would expect progress in mechanical drives (both cost and absolute capacity) to slow even more than it already has over the last decade as the market opportunity will warrant less investment by storage companies. By the time the end game plays out, there will be cost effective alternatives. (whether or not they'll be available to consumers is a different question) Look at it this way: the optical drive/disc market has been 'dead' for years but you can still pick up a new DVD burner for ~$20. Hard drives will likely follow suit: at some point it won't make sense for hard drive manufacturers to invest in developing new drives, but they'll keep churning out the existing stuff for years and years until demand dries up. They've already done the expensive part (developing the drives, establishing supply chains, building the plants and setting up the manufacturing lines), and will keep doing the cheap part (actually making them) as long as there's a market.
- mixmastamyk 7y ago
  Yes, I recently looked up the BR burner and discs I bought circa 2010 for large backups of photos, etc. Drives, capacities, speeds all about the same, which was mildly surprising.
d1zzy 7y ago
Recently I've joined the home NAS crowd. I never thought I would but it just happened naturally. I was rewatching the GoT BluRays to prepare for the new season and it was very frustrating having to change discs every 2 episodes, taking forever to load a disc, printing the same stupid copyright warning every disc. So instead I went and ripped them (funny that the copyright message saying not to copy them was a factor in convincing me to actually do so). But then I started running out of disk space so here I am a few weeks later using RAID5 and multiple drives exposed through the LAN and having ripped my entire BluRay library. It's actually quite cool in that I now get both the benefits of streaming (can play any ripped title on demand whenever I feel like it) and none of the drawbacks: doesn't need Internet nor does it use my monthly traffic limit, it's at much higher quality than any Internet stream (GoT BluRay episodes average at around 35mbit/sec while an Internet stream doesn't go above 5mbit) and there are no "concurrent streams" limit (well, other than the one inherent to the speed of my LAN/NAS but I've yet to hit that one).

topspin 7y ago

My guess is that demand for hard drives less than 3TB+ is going to dry up and production will end. There isn't much point in small hard drives any more; at the same price people would rather cope with less flash storage than more HDD.

cm2187 7y ago
Agree. On the other hand there should be a long term appetite from large capacity hard drive from datacentres. The flow of data being captured isn’t reducing.
- antt 7y ago
  Not sure about that. Tape drives have always been better for long term storage.

TheOperator 7y ago

Hard drives are very nearly dead for hot storage. I expect them to by wholly dead by the end of 2020 because the TCO of HDDs is going to outstrip that of SSDs because of the fundamentally lower reliability.

mjevans 7y ago
My personal, offhand, experience is that SSDs tend to fail about 2 or 3 times sooner than a hard disk. I'd need for SSDs to actually be CHEAPER per gigabyte for the trade-off in expected lifetime to make sense. PS: If your hard drives 'fail' try scrubbing (forced re-write) them every 2 years or so...
- jschwartzi 7y ago
  You'll need to do this with NAND-based devices as well, as NAND tends to lose data integrity as data is repeatedly read out.
  - gruez 7y ago
    >as NAND tends to lose data integrity as data is repeatedly read out This doesn't tend to be an issue because the controller can automatically rewrite the cells as needed. What is an issue is if you leave the SSD unpowered for a few months and the cells leak enough charge to be unreadable.
    - mjevans 7y ago
      I suspect most SSD firmware actually does automatic old-age scrubbing of somekind within the firmware. This theory seems likely confirmed with your offline decay theory.
- PhantomGremlin 7y ago
  My personal, offhand, experience is that SSDs tend to fail about 2 or 3 times sooner than a hard disk. My anecdotal experience matches yours. In addition, SSDs often fail catastrophically. Total loss of data, not just some bad sectors. They're worse than hard disks in that regard.

woliveirajr 7y ago

I remember when SDD would suffer from catastrophic failures and weren't considered for long term storage (even in pro-home solutions). Now we have people complaining that HDD aren't reliable (but I suspect we still can recover data from the plates in almost all HDD kind of failure) HDD, SDD, external HDD and some cloud: trying to have all these working together with redundancy is my next goal.

golergka 7y ago
For my pro-home solution (audio production), Dropbox solves all my backup needs. All my work folders are in Dropbox, and if my hard drive explodes, at most I'd lose a dozen of minutes of work.
- Wowfunhappy 7y ago
  Now imagine if you were doing video production instead of audio production. You'd need to spend a fortune to store all that in Dropbox.
  - losteric 7y ago
    Backblaze?
  - deleted 7y ago
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  - icebraining 7y ago
    Apparently $720/year gets you an account for "as much as you need". Not cheap, but then again syncing isn't backing up.
- currysausage 7y ago
  It solves all backup needs, until it doesn't. https://petapixel.com/2014/07/31/cautionary-tale-bug-dropbox-permanently-deleted-8000-photos/ https://petapixel.com/2014/07/31/cautionary-tale-bug-dropbox...

neilv 7y ago

Any idea when we'll see a 2.5" SATA drive of 8 TB, and at what price point?

poglet 7y ago
This might be what your looking for: Micron 5200 Series 7680GB https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA0ZX7U89254 https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA0ZX7U89...
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pmiller2 7y ago

This is interesting, but is it really as simple as "laptops are now using SSDs over HDDs"? I'd like to see some more detailed analysis of this prediction.

myself248 7y ago
As recently as 2 years ago, Lenovo tried to sell me a laptop with a mechanical HDD. They actually succeeded -- their price for an SSD was insane -- but I ripped it out and replaced it immediately. Today a mechanical HDD isn't even an option. The new generation of the same machine is offered only with a PCIe SSD. That's just one point of anecdata, but I think it's a pretty stark one.
sdinsn 7y ago
I think another factor is that HDD that are included in computers are larger by default. So instead of shipping with a 256GB HDD and forcing the customer to buy another one later, it ships with a 2TB HDD.