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I was already a bit mad at them for removing RSS support and claiming their proprietary service that's built in is an alternative, now their proprietary service

I was already a bit mad at them for removing RSS support and claiming their proprietary service that's built in is an alternative, now their proprietary service keeps working (presumably, I didn't use it but it's not an addon so I doubt it's signed the same way) and I can't use the RSS addon. I know this was a mistake, but I can't help but be mad that their proprietary built in stuff effectively gets a free pass and special treatment and meanwhile I can't use RSS and all my containers were deleted (those didn't come back after the study was pushed either).

luke-stanley 7y ago
I use containers too. I didn't loose any data after I enabled dev mode and added the extension back. Perhaps you removed the existing extension first and lost data that way?
- neogodless 7y ago
  It's odd - on my laptops, my multi-container settings were preserved, but I opened firefox on my desktop last night and they had vanished. I did not remove any add-ons myself.
  - nikbackm 7y ago
    Same here. Only difference is that I restarted the desktop Firefox and also enabled Shield studies to get the temporary fix. On the laptop I just upgraded to 66.0.4 and only then restarted it.
- SamWhited 7y ago
  I did not disable or remove the extension, my containers were just all gone after the study was pushed and extensions came back.
- neogodless 7y ago
  To the best of my understanding, here's what happens. * containers.json is reset to default * if you have any non-default containers, they are lost * the underlying data is still in IndexDB (??) but isn't connected to the custom containers that were wiped out * if you're clever and can read the IndexDB (or wherever the data is, it's moved a few times) then you could probably rebuild your containers.json file
Yoric 7y ago
Never hear Mozilla claiming anything about a prioprietary service being an alternative to add-ons. The reason for which built-in RSS support was removed is that it was much crappier than the add-ons available. Doesn't solve your problems, though :/
- throwaway2048 7y ago
  Pocket was promoted as the replacement for RSS. Pocket is a closed source SaaS product, despite the fact Mozilla now owns it.
  - apetresc 7y ago
    Huh? When was it promoted as a replacement, by whom? It’s not even in the same product category/ RSS aggregates updates to websites without needing to check them. Pocket takes an article you have open in your browser right now and saves a local offline copy on your phone. They’re apples and oranges. Apples and orangutangs, even.
    - SamWhited 7y ago
      Here (see "other alternatives"): https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/feed-reader-replacements-firefox https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/feed-reader-replacement...
    - throwaway2048 7y ago
      https://www.theverge.com/2018/6/13/17446660/mozilla-firefox-pocket-recommendations-ceo-nate-weiner-interview-converge-podcast https://www.theverge.com/2018/6/13/17446660/mozilla-firefox-... This sounds a lot like pushing it as an alternative to RSS to me.
      - sciurus 7y ago
        That interview with the Pocket CEO never mentions RSS. (Disclaimer: I work for Mozilla but not on any functionality related to this)
BuckRogers 7y ago
LiveMarks really is a fantastic addon to bring back Live Bookmarks functionality. That said, I've always been a fan of native browsers for their inherent advantages. Never felt the desire to use anything else, unless it has significant usability improvements. Phoenix/Firefox was always that browser for me. I usually suggest people use their native browser (Edge/Safari), and if they want an upgrade, to go to Firefox. With all of these recent debacles, it would be hard for me to not suggest the new Chromium-based Edge to Windows users and crossplatform.

luke-stanley 7y ago

I use containers too. I didn't loose any data after I enabled dev mode and added the extension back. Perhaps you removed the existing extension first and lost data that way?

neogodless 7y ago
It's odd - on my laptops, my multi-container settings were preserved, but I opened firefox on my desktop last night and they had vanished. I did not remove any add-ons myself.
- nikbackm 7y ago
  Same here. Only difference is that I restarted the desktop Firefox and also enabled Shield studies to get the temporary fix. On the laptop I just upgraded to 66.0.4 and only then restarted it.
SamWhited 7y ago
I did not disable or remove the extension, my containers were just all gone after the study was pushed and extensions came back.
neogodless 7y ago
To the best of my understanding, here's what happens. * containers.json is reset to default * if you have any non-default containers, they are lost * the underlying data is still in IndexDB (??) but isn't connected to the custom containers that were wiped out * if you're clever and can read the IndexDB (or wherever the data is, it's moved a few times) then you could probably rebuild your containers.json file

Yoric 7y ago

Never hear Mozilla claiming anything about a prioprietary service being an alternative to add-ons. The reason for which built-in RSS support was removed is that it was much crappier than the add-ons available. Doesn't solve your problems, though :/

throwaway2048 7y ago
Pocket was promoted as the replacement for RSS. Pocket is a closed source SaaS product, despite the fact Mozilla now owns it.
- apetresc 7y ago
  Huh? When was it promoted as a replacement, by whom? It’s not even in the same product category/ RSS aggregates updates to websites without needing to check them. Pocket takes an article you have open in your browser right now and saves a local offline copy on your phone. They’re apples and oranges. Apples and orangutangs, even.
  - SamWhited 7y ago
    Here (see "other alternatives"): https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/feed-reader-replacements-firefox https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/feed-reader-replacement...
  - throwaway2048 7y ago
    https://www.theverge.com/2018/6/13/17446660/mozilla-firefox-pocket-recommendations-ceo-nate-weiner-interview-converge-podcast https://www.theverge.com/2018/6/13/17446660/mozilla-firefox-... This sounds a lot like pushing it as an alternative to RSS to me.
    - sciurus 7y ago
      That interview with the Pocket CEO never mentions RSS. (Disclaimer: I work for Mozilla but not on any functionality related to this)

BuckRogers 7y ago

LiveMarks really is a fantastic addon to bring back Live Bookmarks functionality. That said, I've always been a fan of native browsers for their inherent advantages. Never felt the desire to use anything else, unless it has significant usability improvements. Phoenix/Firefox was always that browser for me. I usually suggest people use their native browser (Edge/Safari), and if they want an upgrade, to go to Firefox. With all of these recent debacles, it would be hard for me to not suggest the new Chromium-based Edge to Windows users and crossplatform.