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Isn't splitting Olympic Games by 2 (or more?) dimensions is in general a sort of propaganda of gender inequality?
by viach 7y ago
Isn't splitting Olympic Games by 2 (or more?) dimensions is in general a sort of propaganda of gender inequality?
- Arbalest 7y agoThat's like saying that, your child gets to go to a public school, just like a rich child. The rich child just happens to be able to afford a private school.
- viach 7y agoRich/Poor are not genetic qualities. It's more like saying girls and boys go to different schools, because they have different abilities to learn. Which is obviously not true in learning and, as it turns out, in sport.
- Arbalest 7y agoThey're not genetic but they still follow parental lineage. I'm making the point that advantages that people start out with are already not equal, that equality can't be simplified so much that you can just say, they have the same opportunities and that's enough.
- polote 7y ago> So going back to the premise that women’s sport is the PROTECTED category, and that this protection must exist because of the insurmountable and powerful effects of testosterone, my opinion on this is that it is fair and correct to set an upper limit for that testosterone They use the "protected category" expression in the article
- Jabbles 7y agoIt isn't propaganda to acknowledge that elite male athletes are better than elite female athletes, for any reasonable definition of better. Therefore, if we want any women participation in the Olympics, we have to have more than one category.
- viach 7y agoWhere this boundary where we can acknowledge that one category of people is _better_ in something and needs to participate only in _protected_ type of some events?
- garmaine 7y agoOr we can apply weighting factors to calibrate everyone onto a single scale. You could even weight age, tested T levels, height, weight, etc...
- pdkl95 7y agoThe solution is to define the categories by the specific physical traits that are beneficial to the competition (sort of like the weight classes used in boxing). Gender is an indirect indicator. Instead of dividing in to [men, women, ...(other?)...], divide by e.g, size, weight, allele, etc.
- rwmj 7y agoIt's an interesting idea, but what criteria would you use to group people for running?
- berbec 7y agoPersonal best time at competing distance.
- rwmj 7y agoThat would be extremely easy to game. It has to be something that's near-impossible to cheat, such as height, length of leg, or a particular genetic marker.
- ordinaryperson 7y agoHow would this work? Some Olympic distances are: -Sprints (100m, 200m, 400m), -Middle distance (800m, 1500m) -Long distance (3000m Steeplechase, 5000m, 10,000m) -Hurdles (110/100m, 400m) -Relays (4x100m, 4x400m) Men would dominate every distance, you'd have no women competing. More cynically I'd point out that all high-level athletics are really television shows and the audience (deservedly) wants women's sports. To me the solution is a new intersex category.
- adminu 7y agoWell, in a performance point of view it is a fact that women perform 10-12% worse then men (from the article) in certain disciplines. The genders are quite measurable not equal in this metric.
- stefan_ 7y agoOf course, it's discrimination. That is the whole point.
- SubiculumCode 7y agoWell it certainly does invite the question of why the olympics does not further divide the games to make it fairer for other groups, say a basketball division for shorter people...they do for boxing already re feather and heavy weights). Perhaps it is better to just let people compete all together no matter their sex, and let the best succeed. I do not doubt there are a number of sports that female athletes would dominate. ---Seems better than asking a woman to change her body because it doesnt fit a feminine archetype for testosterone levels.
- qazpot 7y agoThen people like you would cry about How nobody watches the Short People Basketball League or How Weightlifting league for weak people did not generated any revenue. Sport are meant to celebrate the best of Humans in fields of physical endeavor.
- adolph 7y agoBoxing has different weight classes and although the big ones seem the most popular, the lighter ones seem popular among those who enjoy boxing, right?
- SubiculumCode 7y agoI am not sure why my parent comment has been judged so harshly, as my reasoning was both feminist and humanist. Sure sex has the x y genetic component, but as soon as you throw in expression and developmental processes, sex is a spectrum, ignoring even gender distinctions. Rules that restrict eligibility by the natural expression of your sex because they deviate from some prototype are deeply wrong, and also ignores/discriminates against large swaths of naturally expressed sexualities within the inter sex range.
- Jabbles 7y agoI do not doubt there are a number of sports that female athletes would dominate. Such as?